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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by elefanten »

Retric wrote: post #160
cronix wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they've been taking the profits and building their military at a fast rate for 20 years...to do...something.

China has the 2nd largest military budget but only spends 1.7% GDP on it vs the global average of 2.2% and US at 3.5%. India the worlds 3rd largest spender is between them at 2.7% GDP, and #4 the UK spends 2.2% GDP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... I may strongly dislike China, but a relative lack of military spending is one of their strengths.

Trend rapidly changing, they were focused elsewhere previously.

The part that matters is what they’ll use it for (so far, signs point to authoritarian conquest of sovereign political entities)

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by dodobirdlord »

cma wrote: post #131
ericmay wrote: post #107

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The mistake that you're making is suggesting that this rules based order must mean that all countries adhere to it 100% of the time. But there are gray areas, mistakes, things that are subject to interpretation, and frankly there are areas where countries disagree. The point is that it's mostly adhered to. If you are looking for specific examples and further elaboration, frankly I can't provide that for you and you'l…

The US heavily supported Taiwan before they were a democracy (first free elections in 1995; before that they were a military dictatorship). Our support seems to be geostrategic and for capitalism (or in other cases for access to natural resources), with democracy being ancillary. Saudi Arabia is one of our biggest allies. If Taiwan didn't have anything to offer they'd have to rely on Brad Pitt or something instead of…

The US values many things in its foreign policy, and some of those things are spreading democracy and self-determination. That doesn’t mean the US values them to the exclusion of other interests like trade partnerships, energy security, regional stability, and military alliances.

Countries in the US sphere of influence tend to drift toward becoming democracies, in part because of the influence of free trade. Both Taiwan and South Korea started off as dictatorships propped up by the military backing of the US to contain the spread of communism, and eventually transitioned to democratic government.

As for Tibet, if it were on an island and could have been defended by the US Navy, I’m sure it would still be independent. Even if it were merely coastal it might still be independent. But it’s landlocked and mountainous, and hard to defend from the other side of the world. The invasion was also rapid, and happened at the same time the international community was responding to the invasion of South Korea.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by serf »

NhanH wrote: post #143

Officially, Taiwan agree to the “One China” stance. They even agree in the 1992 consensus that RoC and PRC does not agree who is the legitimate government of both mainland China and Taiwan islands, but the One China stance itself is not something in dispute. The constitution of Taiwan claims sovereignty over mainland China, although they added an amendment to differentiate “free area” citizens (Taiwanese) and citizen…

>With that in mind, Taiwan and China situation is really similar to a civil war, Taiwan is just a secessionist. And until the situation is resolved, there is nothing wrong with label it “Taiwan, China”

this is contrary to nearly everything I have witnessed in my life regarding Taiwan (a place I visited in the earlyish 90s).

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by KptMarchewa »

iconhacker wrote: post #146
BudaDude wrote: post #119

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To be fair, China was ready to start WWIII a few days ago.

Only when provoked by US.

This sad orientalism: neither China nor Russia are some weird state machines that are "provoked" or "forced" to do anything, or kids that we have to constantly placate to not start crying in the middle of the mall.

Any aggression, like Russian one is only and purely a result of their own choices and they are the one to bear consequences.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Ygg2 »

klipklop wrote: post #157
iconhacker wrote: post #146

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Only when provoked by US.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

Sure. But many countries have their "weak" spots.

Let Nancy Pelosi go to Catalonia on a military jet, without Spain's approval. It would be a major scandal.

Or hell, if Xi Jinping got around US government on a submarine, and appeared in Texas to support its independence.

All independence is based on having some autonomy (trivial) and no one other calling your bluff.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by hodgesrm »

the_duke wrote: post #87
ericmay wrote: post #51

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Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

Alternative view: Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. A country whose increasing rivalry with the US in economic power and geopolitical influence (along with increased tensions) has been clear for well over a decade. Apple is diversifying a bit i…

> Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country.

Up to a point there's a cost advantage, but Tim Cook has also pointed that Apple uses Chinese factories because it allows them to take advantage of the local manufacturing capabilities, which are substantial. [0] In fact to hear him tell it those capabilities are simply not available elsewhere. I take him at his word on this topic at least.

[0] https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-...

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by ekianjo »

ericmay wrote: post #51
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

> everyone here is choosing cheaper Chinese goods so we're all complicit too.

its not like we have much choice anymore as consumers. There's hardly anything made elsewhere.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by dodobirdlord »

lostmsu wrote: post #170
Jugurtha wrote: post #41

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Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.

As a non-aware, are you talking mostly about citizens of Middle East countries?

Citizens of middle eastern countries that are hostile to Israel would care the most, but other international travelers also benefit from avoiding the Israel passport stamp to avoid unnecessary difficulties if they need to visit those middle eastern countries in future.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China.

Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US.

Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it.

As for whether or not PRC money is immoral. For a company founded in a nation practiced slavery in modern history, performed genocide on American Indian, launched Vietnam war, and brutally supported and helped the other fellow morally coruppted war crimals to oppress Palestinian Yemen, Cuba etc.

They are part of the problem from the very beginning. They are the original sin that drives all sorts of evil.

You got the whole cause and effect reversed.

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