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Quick look at sources from Wikipedia confirms that the articles’ basic assumptions have a rather loose association with facts. And the site itself is known for propagating hoaxes and promoting alt-right (Noah Carl).
> the articles’ basic assumptions have a rather loose association with facts Could you be more specific?
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> scans only detected masses of individual graves. Possible graves. How many were unambiguously confirmed? And how many would we expect from normal high-at-the-time child mortality?
So the graves need to be confirmed, because you are skeptical they exist? But if/when they are confirmed, then its not a big deal because it's just some of the graves that you know exist? Do you see the contradiction here?
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> the articles’ basic assumptions have a rather loose association with facts Could you be more specific?
Yes - look at the table summarizing discoveries of bodies, then follow to the sources. Contrary to the article above, those are not “alleged” or “unproven”.
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So the graves need to be confirmed, because you are skeptical they exist? But if/when they are confirmed, then its not a big deal because it's just some of the graves that you know exist? Do you see the contradiction here?
The contradiction in what? Wanting proof that the death rate was higher (and how much higher) than in any other school?
You seem determined to downplay these graves, but the kettle logic of "these graves don't exist and also they do exist and we all know about them but they aren't a problem" undermines your argument.
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The contradiction in what? Wanting proof that the death rate was higher (and how much higher) than in any other school?
Do the graves only exist if the rate was higher? You seem determined to downplay these graves, but the kettle logic of "these graves don't exist and also they do exist and we all know about them but they aren't a problem" undermines your argument.
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That's exactly the 'lie' being presented. In the late 19th century up to about 1910, there were much higher rates of Aboriginal kids dying than normal, and it was mostly due to tuberculosis. It would 'set loose' at a residential school and mortality rates were high. There were investigations and it was a 'big social issue' even 100 years ago. Since about WW2, the rates of death at res schools have been fairly consist…
At best, you prove that the real issue here isn’t ethnic identity but social class. You might be right. What was the fatality rate at Eton during this time?
There's a whole bunch of people in this discussion thread who are clearly not Canadian and clearly not informed about this, who seem to believe they're railing against appropriating an issue for political points, by appropriating one of our most shameful national issues (and implicitly denying it, however artfully) in order to make political points.
I don't really see anything in what I read as a wonderful genocide denial piece of the likes you see on catholic news sites right now, about how the decision to exhume or not exhume is being taken with a lot of care and the decisions lie with the tribes on how to do this. It sounds like at the Kamloops site, they're working on an archaeological dig. [1] These things take time for reasons of doing what may involve the…
People die at schools esp. boarding schools of all kinds, all the time, of normal causes. There aren't really allegations that somehow these schools 'killed people' in the 1960's (i.e. in living memory as you suggest) - or even in the past (when people died at much higher rates than normal population of illness etc.) and your choice of words very clearly misrepresents the situation, which is actually the issue presen…
It's stupid enough that I have to even explain this that I left Canada. I don't want anything to do with people who do this.
Good luck with the economy eh?
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So when a child is raped (which definitely happened, by definition) we should avoid talking about it because it might hurt the case of the person accused of the crime? The justice system assumes innocence until proven guilty. The court of public opinion need hold no such lofty ideal. Nor should it.
Need? No, you can’t force people to think things. Should? Yes, absolutely it should. People are accused of, but later found innocent of, crimes all the time.
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That's exactly the 'lie' being presented. In the late 19th century up to about 1910, there were much higher rates of Aboriginal kids dying than normal, and it was mostly due to tuberculosis. It would 'set loose' at a residential school and mortality rates were high. There were investigations and it was a 'big social issue' even 100 years ago. Since about WW2, the rates of death at res schools have been fairly consist…
At best, you prove that the real issue here isn’t ethnic identity but social class. You might be right. What was the fatality rate at Eton during this time?
And I'm not actually trying to say this was not an 'aboriginal specific' issue.
I think the issue with them was real, but decontextualized and misrepresented by the press, which is the focus of the article.
The press drives narratives and will ignore context if necessary.
Sadly, if you stray away from the press, most independent outlets are full if inanity and made up facts, it's very hard to get factual stuff, meaning any individual truth seeker has to become a kind of 'independent journalist' - it's very hard. I think most people end up down rabbit holes of misinformation, which is worse than the 'generally factual but biased' press.
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By your simplistic definitions, yes there are. But real life is very complicated and so people who actually care about this because it directly affects them aren't so quick to draw absolute lines: https://interactadvocates.org/faq/ > Nature doesn’t decide where the category of “male” ends and the category of “intersex” begins, or where the category of “intersex” ends and the category of “female” begins. Humans decide…