Live data from Hacker News

Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

justinmcelroy.com

181–190 of 197 posts

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#181
post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they didn't, though. They certainly claimed it as did the British. However, when the dust settled, we got the border we have today.

Your argument is that we have the border we have today? I know!

My argument is that the U.S. never really held the Oregon territory that they claimed (nor did the British, for that matter).

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#182
post #180
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ferry service is expensive infrastructure. Who would pay?

You're right that it's a chicken and egg problem. The place needs some resource to incentivize jumpstarting that infrastructure and it's not clear what that would be.

Just for fun here's a Steamship in nearby Anyox in 1935

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamship_Catala_at_...

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#183

Out of curiosity I looked it up on a map [1]. It appears two of the closest settlements [2],[3] are also ghost towns or otherwise pretty much abandoned. Kind of nice to know there are habitable but uninhabited places left in the world. [1] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Kitsault+%2C+BC&ia=web&iaxm... [2] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Arm,_British_Columbia [3] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyox

I live in Iowa. Moved out here because I wanted to see what sorts of uninhabited-but-habitable places I could move to. The US Midwest has a lot of them if you're willing to poke around LandWatch.

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#184
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Hacker News town would be awful. A bloated mess of JavaScript powered "smart" things connected to a surveillance capitalism advertising dystopia.

It would be a libertarian paradise.

That would be Hong Kong, before the CCP takeover.

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be a libertarian paradise.

AKA real-life Bioshock 1 sequel/DLC without the superpowers. Remote location (check); next to the ocean (check); owned by a corporate/millionaire bringing in like minded people (check and check).

Sad to see libertarianism conflated with anarchism. The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it.

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AKA real-life Bioshock 1 sequel/DLC without the superpowers. Remote location (check); next to the ocean (check); owned by a corporate/millionaire bringing in like minded people (check and check).

Sad to see libertarianism conflated with anarchism. The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it.

> The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it.

the 'original' libertarians (anarchists) would probably agree...

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#187
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BC was altered considerably by a series of economic crisis in the 90s; notably the softwood lumber dispute, the opening of raw log exports, the salmon fishery dispute, and the asian economic crisis. All told, they had the cumulative effect of shifting BC's economy away from lumber and fisheries and toward tourism and real estate.

The criminal government from 2001- 2017 did not help matters. Money laundering so extensive that it begot its own name (the “Vancouver Model”). It completely fucked the housing market.

The current government's investigation found no sign of criminal collusion at the government level. It also found that money laundering had barely any influence on housing prices.

At worst, the Liberals were just inept.

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#188
post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sad to see libertarianism conflated with anarchism. The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it.

> The existence of a state, that does not violate people's rights, is perfectly consistent with libertarianism, and is arguably essential to it. the 'original' libertarians (anarchists) would probably agree...

The modern form of argumentation on display here:

"I'm not going to argue against what you say you believe, I'm going to assert you believe something else and attack that, or group you with people who believe differently than you and argue against that."

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#189
post #99

Nearby (13 miles), is another ghost town but much older and destroyed. It's called Anyox and has a beautiful Eastwood buttress arch dam. I toured the area 15 years ago or so and it was fascinating. Beautiful scenery as well.

yeah, I recently watched a youtube video about that town, looks pretty interesting. And the guy seems to have a few more videos from other abandoned towns in BC too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7PVZq-lqCs

Re: Kitsault, Canada’s $50M 1980s ghost town

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The criminal government from 2001- 2017 did not help matters. Money laundering so extensive that it begot its own name (the “Vancouver Model”). It completely fucked the housing market.

The current government's investigation found no sign of criminal collusion at the government level. It also found that money laundering had barely any influence on housing prices. At worst, the Liberals were just inept.

Wilful Blindness by Sam Cooper provides endless evidence that the government is corrupted. “We investigated ourselves and found that we are not corrupt” is not a ringing endorsement. Money is power and in BC the criminal GDP is as valuable as any of our legitimate business sectors, like fishing or forestry.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-sam...

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/04/10/BC-Liberal-Falsehoods-...

Post reply on HN