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Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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A16Z is obviously well known, but are they respected? I naïvely assumed that they would have access to enough expertise and deal flow to avoid the most absurd losers, but a few examples in the last few months have made me question that. And an important follow up question: do they have enough dry powder to keep sustaining these things?

Yes and yes, they just raised a $4.5B round a few months ago.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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Every single one of these web3 companies is going bust. They could all be built without tokens or a blockchain if they wanted to. There are only two things propping up the entire crypto economy, VC funding and fraud. Once the VC money leaves the ecosystem the dominoes will fall.

The older protocols that were built in the depth of 2018-19 bear markets will survive. Many of them are also doing wonderfully well in terms of revenue. COMP, MKR, AAVE, CRV all make a ton in revenue and have a well-defined product-market fit. Crypto projects are tough to value. Their sheer global scale means that they can ramp up revenue and even profits extremely fast. StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120…

> StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120M in profit in its first year of operation.

Did they actually, or did they make a bunch of Solana, which is now worth about 20% of what it was when they launched?

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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Look into SoRare’s volume. They raised over $500m. Volume is now lower than it was way back in 2020. The crypto down rounds are going to be hilarious. Note to investors: if you’re investing in crypto projects, carefully consider the ponzinomics and the vesting schedule. You want your unlocks to happen in the middle of the bullrun when exit liquidity is ample. And also remember that whatever you might think of as “nor…

GameStop NFT did $2M the first day.

Maybe everyone just doesn't know where the volume is?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32238127

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#184
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single one of these web3 companies is going bust. They could all be built without tokens or a blockchain if they wanted to. There are only two things propping up the entire crypto economy, VC funding and fraud. Once the VC money leaves the ecosystem the dominoes will fall.

The older protocols that were built in the depth of 2018-19 bear markets will survive. Many of them are also doing wonderfully well in terms of revenue. COMP, MKR, AAVE, CRV all make a ton in revenue and have a well-defined product-market fit. Crypto projects are tough to value. Their sheer global scale means that they can ramp up revenue and even profits extremely fast. StepN, a move-to-earn app reportedly made $120…

Ethereum is a casino, DeFi provides financing for players, and all other crypto tokens are games in the casino. It's all dependant on degenerate players gambling on these ponzi tokens. There's no other purpose for Ethereum or DeFi.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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> If "web2" hadn't shut off its own users from any semblance of ownership in the platforms, or had done more for privacy, web3 would have died in 2017. Honestly nobody cares about these things. This is just a narrative that was grafted onto Web3 after the fact.

the users never care The builders do If you’re in the tech field and aren’t worried about privacy, the. I don’t even know what to tell you.

Most blockchain tech is a disaster for privacy because it puts all your transactions on a public ledger for all to see. At least with web2 you can delete stuff you've posted.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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Crypto is a closed economy. The only way to get USD out is by taking that USD ("wealth") from somebody else who is buying in.

But this is true for any currency

In “real” currency labor is compensated by wages, resulting in a net increase of collective wealth. Building a house generates a net increase in wealth overall; there is “more there” than there was before.

Cryptocurrencies do not share this property. They are zero-sum, which is a hallmark of a Ponzi scheme.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

#187
Soooo for every $4700 you get $1 ARR or if you assume that ARR is for 10 years not-discounted $470 for $1 ARR/10 years. I mean how much of those investment dollars came from early crypto investments in the first place (i.e. low cost) and are just gettin recycled is the real question.

I realize that's an unfair comparison but I think there are many many people who want to throw shade at crypto because a majority of it is rotten and has weighed down on the positive attributes.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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I remember, after Loggly raised ~4.2M, our revenues hit $7,500 after about 4-6 months. At the time, I thought the effort to build what we had built, code-wise, could be done by 1-2 people in maybe a couple of years. Marketing plays a big part in how much revenue comes in to a startup. The product also plays a big part, but if the product does what people need it to do, it becomes a marketing task to accelerate growth…

Unrelated to cryptocurrency stuff, this is such a great comment everyone going to work for a startup should internalize. The core work building a product is relatively easy to accomplish with time. The bulk of fundraising and spend is about marketing.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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Crypto is a closed economy. The only way to get USD out is by taking that USD ("wealth") from somebody else who is buying in.

But this is true for any currency

That's why currency is not normally treated as an investment. Meanwhile investments like equities have the property that the thing being owned actually makes stuff. Bitcoin seems to be the worst of both worlds.

Re: Helium has revenues of $6.5k/month after $365M investment from A16Z

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> I'm genuinely curious what their thought process is. The thought process for VCs investing in crypto is simple: they get a huge discount on the tokens in the raise that they can turn around and dump on retail a few months later for huge returns. Instead of waiting 10+ years for a traditional exit, they can get liquidity in a few months. As Chamath admitted on the podcast, even when they're on a vesting schedule the…

I think the next set of companies will become more smarter in their vesting terms. Just think about it, if these data point of selling claims get be bought to on-chain then I am sure people and next set of companies will not borrow some such investors. because of this particular reason I feel DeFi will replace traditional finance first before any other form of crypto companies takes. A recent IMF admitted that DeFi i…

It doesn't do anything useful so the 10x really is meaningless if it was ever claimed by anyone in the first place.

For example you need to have locked $400 of some token for a "loan" of $100. How is this efficient?

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