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Post by pandaman »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #175
pandaman wrote: post #134

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No, invoking externalities as they exist and affect people around you. If your neighbors don't grow things and don't mind your building a high-rise then they will let you rezone. I am not sure if you had been outside or only get your information from HN's strongtowns and notjustbikes fans but IME there are apartment complexes and mixed use buildings (apartments and retail) everywhere in the US. Nobody forbids buildin…

> No, invoking externalities as they exist and affect people around you. If your neighbors don't grow things and don't mind your building a high-rise then they will let you rezone. You're prioritizing existing neighbors and uses over new ones. You didn't mention that in your previous post. That's different. Now you're saying that buying property gives you implicit rights over light on your property. Does that mean if…

What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors. If you mean someone who lives in the neighborhood and wants to build an apartment then it's an existing neighbor and he or she has the same rights as everyone else.

" I'm looking at mine, and the vast majority of it is zoned for SFH".

And? SFH lots will take a lot of area by construction: each houses a single family so you need a lot of those. It would be insane to have more commercial lots than SFH, who is going to provide business for that many shops? I see apartments and townhomes everywhere too. My city is Austin, which apparently is suffering from the "housing crisis" more than most cities.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by mwint »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #174
mwint wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Key word there is probably average. Median would be more interesting.

New Mexico is sitting at the median (spot 25, so not quite, need to average out the two middles) at $5,063.78.

The median of a list of averages is not the median of the population.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

pandaman wrote: post #181
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, invoking externalities as they exist and affect people around you. If your neighbors don't grow things and don't mind your building a high-rise then they will let you rezone. You're prioritizing existing neighbors and uses over new ones. You didn't mention that in your previous post. That's different. Now you're saying that buying property gives you implicit rights over light on your property. Does that mean if…

What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors. If you mean someone who lives in the neighborhood and wants to build an apartment then it's an existing neighbor and he or she has the same rights as everyone else. " I'm looking at mine, and the vast majority of it is zoned for SFH". And? SFH lots will take a lot of area by construction: e…

> What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors.

That's your opinion. Not mine. I'm fine with developers building next to me. My partner and I live in older MFH housing and we love it. We're glad for the option.

> I see apartments and townhomes everywhere too.

I presume you're a programmer. "seeing" is not believing. Look at your zoning map. The zoning map has the truth. My zoning map has an order of magnitude more SFH zoning than MFH zoning. The only way to hit parity between MFH residents and SFH residents, which isn't even a goal but is a hypothetical, would be to build Manhattan-style skyscrapers, which nobody in this neighborhood wants. Most of the US is the same. I haven't looked at Austin's zoning map but I presume it's the same.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by pandaman »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #183
pandaman wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors. If you mean someone who lives in the neighborhood and wants to build an apartment then it's an existing neighbor and he or she has the same rights as everyone else. " I'm looking at mine, and the vast majority of it is zoned for SFH". And? SFH lots will take a lot of area by construction: e…

> What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors. That's your opinion. Not mine. I'm fine with developers building next to me. My partner and I live in older MFH housing and we love it. We're glad for the option. > I see apartments and townhomes everywhere too. I presume you're a programmer. "seeing" is not believing. Look at your zoning…

"Neighbors" is a real word with a common definition, developers living far away do not fit that. And I find nothing unusual in that people living away have less priority over the local matters than people living in that locale.

>My zoning map has an order of magnitude more SFH zoning than MFH zoning

And? You just confirm that MFH and commercial lots exist in your area too. Is the word "monoculture" is as flexible as the word "neighbors" and actually means that the MFH zoning is not on par with SFH zoning? I give you that, but I don't see any sensible definition of "monoculture" that fits that.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by jgwil2 »

pandaman wrote: post #184
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What are the "new neighbors"? Developers who want to build overpriced apartments in a nice neighborhood? They are not neighbors. That's your opinion. Not mine. I'm fine with developers building next to me. My partner and I live in older MFH housing and we love it. We're glad for the option. > I see apartments and townhomes everywhere too. I presume you're a programmer. "seeing" is not believing. Look at your zoning…

"Neighbors" is a real word with a common definition, developers living far away do not fit that. And I find nothing unusual in that people living away have less priority over the local matters than people living in that locale. >My zoning map has an order of magnitude more SFH zoning than MFH zoning And? You just confirm that MFH and commercial lots exist in your area too. Is the word "monoculture" is as flexible as…

You're being pedantic and quibbling over terminology, but ultimately your position appears to be that we should continue to create an artificial housing scarcity in proximity to city centers, such that the only way to have a reasonable commute is either (a) already owning property in a city or inner suburb or (b) being rich enough to buy in now. Why don't you try arguing for that position instead of nitpicking comments disagreeing with you?

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by pandaman »

jgwil2 wrote: post #185
pandaman wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Neighbors" is a real word with a common definition, developers living far away do not fit that. And I find nothing unusual in that people living away have less priority over the local matters than people living in that locale. >My zoning map has an order of magnitude more SFH zoning than MFH zoning And? You just confirm that MFH and commercial lots exist in your area too. Is the word "monoculture" is as flexible as…

You're being pedantic and quibbling over terminology, but ultimately your position appears to be that we should continue to create an artificial housing scarcity in proximity to city centers, such that the only way to have a reasonable commute is either (a) already owning property in a city or inner suburb or (b) being rich enough to buy in now. Why don't you try arguing for that position instead of nitpicking commen…

I am sorry if it appears so but "neighbors" is not some esoteric term, if you use common words to express some special meaning it's on you to convey your intent. Let me rephrase what I understood you were saying: You're prioritizing existing neighbors and uses over the outsiders. Am I right or you meant something else?

I admit that "monoculture" (as well as "straw man") are the words that many people use without knowing their meaning, I got carried away because it's the pretty common to read on HN that there is literally no MFH zoning and no commercial zoning, just SFH.

Scarcity being artificial is your opinion. I see natural scarcity coming from geometry: there are only so much land in certain distance from the given point. And yes, there are about three common ways to live where you want: already own a property, buy a property or rent a property.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by jgwil2 »

pandaman wrote: post #186
jgwil2 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being pedantic and quibbling over terminology, but ultimately your position appears to be that we should continue to create an artificial housing scarcity in proximity to city centers, such that the only way to have a reasonable commute is either (a) already owning property in a city or inner suburb or (b) being rich enough to buy in now. Why don't you try arguing for that position instead of nitpicking commen…

I am sorry if it appears so but "neighbors" is not some esoteric term, if you use common words to express some special meaning it's on you to convey your intent. Let me rephrase what I understood you were saying: You're prioritizing existing neighbors and uses over the outsiders. Am I right or you meant something else? I admit that "monoculture" (as well as "straw man") are the words that many people use without know…

> Scarcity being artificial is your opinion. I see natural scarcity coming from geometry: there are only so much land in certain distance from the given point.

Wow, you came so close there. The answer was density! Better luck next time!

See? Being condescending is easy.

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by influxmoment »

rvz wrote: post #78
influxmoment wrote: post #34

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So we ban all drivers assistance so it can't be misused? What's your point?

No one said 'ban'. Perhaps Tesla should have a proper driver monitoring system to determine that the driver has their eyes on the road at all times whilst having autopilot or FSD when driving? In the article: [0] > "Just because your vehicle may be equipped with driver-assisted settings or auto-pilot features, all the vehicles still require the operator of that vehicle to still be attentive and still be watching the…

> Perhaps Tesla should have a proper driver monitoring system

The car will constantly alert you if you do not move the wheel and then stop the vehicle if you don't respond. Your comments are more concerned trolling then anything meaning that'll help people

Re: Tesla on autopilot rear ends motorcycle on freeway, killing rider

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Post by lawrenceyan »

ideamotor wrote: post #110
lawrenceyan wrote: post #91

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Pretty easy to complain in your ivory tower when these engineers are actually trying to do something to fix the problems you’re talking about.

My ivory tower? You are definitely going to have to be a lot more specific.

> But this takes policy change, and engineers not only cannot independently make that fix in a democracy; they think they know better than democracy because they know how to program a car in a simulated road in abstraction.

That came off as abrasive, I apologize. I think the point I'm trying to make is that instead of denigrating engineers trying their best to solve problems, which in my opinion, is largely negative sum / leads to stagnation, we should be cultivating positive sum thinking.

Doing something is always better than doing nothing.

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Post by namecheapTA »

woodruffw wrote: post #138
pandaman wrote: post #135

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When I lived in a worker's paradise with public transit for everyone, criminals camped outside subway stations as they provided a good and stable stream of prospective mugging victims. I wonder how many muggings happen to transit users compared to motorists in the US?

One in 20 violent crimes overall happen in either gas stations or convenience stores[1], so there would have to be a lot of public transport muggings to compensate for that! [1]: https://cspdailynews.com/company-news/c-stores-are-4th-most-...

Once again this is a bit misleading. Sure there are crimes at gas stations. I don't stop at those sketchy looking inner city gas stations. Also, most crimes are against the employees of the stations. And finally, there are a lot of crimes at gas stations, but there are probably 50+ million people visiting the stations daily. Per interaction, they're pretty safe especially if you stick to safe looking ones.

It falls back to exactly what I said. I know how not to get killed on the roads, and I know how not to get attacked at a gas stations.

But when I get on a locked train, there's almost nothing I can do to avoid being a victim at that point beyond fighting harder than my attacker.

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