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Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#181
Why don’t we just leave the fusion where it works best, i.e. the sun?

Put the same amount of spending into building a robotic solar collection factory on the moon and beam the power where we need it. No crazy particles to deal with and zero nuclear weapons byproducts.

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#182

I don't believe the hype. From what I can see fusion still isn't anywhere near being a viable source of energy, other than in the form or solar power.

> other than in the form or solar power and wind and hydro

and fossil fuels, stored for a while.

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#183

It means we are closer to success when we see a lot more VC funding of nuclear fusion versus government (taxpayer) funding. VCs don't have the timeline or ability to lose money without much consequence or blame like the government does.

If VC's are so great, they could have invested in fusion 20 years ago and presumably they'd have it solved by now. Why didn't they?

They didn't because they don't have the guts to create entire new branch of science.

Once the government has built research laboratiries, trained physicists and engineers, built prototypes, waited untill those engineers come up with viables plans, then the VC are ready to swoop in and take all the credit.

Thats fine if Venture capital can't make 60 year investments. Whats not cool, is everyone else buying the narrative that we don't need government funding for fundamental research, that VCs will solve all problems in the world as long as we let them run wild and don't tax them

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#184

Why don’t we just leave the fusion where it works best, i.e. the sun? Put the same amount of spending into building a robotic solar collection factory on the moon and beam the power where we need it. No crazy particles to deal with and zero nuclear weapons byproducts.

A beam of power many times stronger than the Sun sounds like a pretty terrifying weapon

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

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post #184

Why don’t we just leave the fusion where it works best, i.e. the sun? Put the same amount of spending into building a robotic solar collection factory on the moon and beam the power where we need it. No crazy particles to deal with and zero nuclear weapons byproducts.

A beam of power many times stronger than the Sun sounds like a pretty terrifying weapon

This is actually one of the classic "disasters" in Sim City 2000[1]. The "Microwave Powerplant" works by bouncing a concentrated beam of sunlight to earth. It provides plentiful, pollution free power... The only downside is sometimes the satellite beam misses, melting everything surrounding it.

[1] https://simcity.fandom.com/wiki/Microwave_(disaster)

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

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post #184

Why don’t we just leave the fusion where it works best, i.e. the sun? Put the same amount of spending into building a robotic solar collection factory on the moon and beam the power where we need it. No crazy particles to deal with and zero nuclear weapons byproducts.

A beam of power many times stronger than the Sun sounds like a pretty terrifying weapon

The microwave beam would be pretty wide by the time it reached the surface. The power levels wouldn’t make an effective weapon but would take up a sizable footprint for the collectors.

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#187

The article doesn't seem to mention why exactly but I'm guessing it's some combination of 1) visible climate change (extreme heat, wildfires, drought, etc.) so people want better energy sources and 2) the mayhem Russia started seeing as it is one of the bigger energy providers. Or has there been anything else?

MIT's SPARC figured out how to manufacture high temperature superconductor magnets. That shrinks the size of the magnets and power consumption.

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

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post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A beam of power many times stronger than the Sun sounds like a pretty terrifying weapon

The microwave beam would be pretty wide by the time it reached the surface. The power levels wouldn’t make an effective weapon but would take up a sizable footprint for the collectors.

If it isn't many times stronger than sunlight, just build more solar panels.

If it is many times stronger than sunlight, that's pretty dangerous!

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#189
You could say the same thing about Bitcoin. Fusion is in the VC hype cycle but there are no new developments that suggest it can become cheaper and more predictable than fission, which itself is dying, primarily because of financial uncertainties and risks.

On the contrary, physics suggest that performance scales with size, so even the extraordinary expensive ITER project is way too small to achieve engineering break even, let alone financial break-even. You will only hear about scientific break-even, which is a useless milestone because, yes, you get more energy than you put it, but you put electric energy and get fast neutron energy, only you need an order of magnitude more of that to get back the electricity you put in.

Understanding different types of break-even would be an obligatory primer to anyone navigating hyped fusion claims: https://news.newenergytimes.net/2022/04/08/fusion-q-values-a...

Re: More invested in nuclear fusion in last 12 months than past decade

#190
post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the problem fusion is that is will be too good? Interesting take.

No, it's not "too good".

So the fear is we’ll use the extra energy to literally warm the planet? Seems like a scale mismatch. Climate “engineering” like blocking out the sun seems like a much more real danger
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