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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

moomoo11 wrote: post #160
Grimburger wrote: post #137

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> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Good for you, but try imagine hearing this from a Chinese national. "Whatever it needs" to do...

Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by moomoo11 »

arvinsim wrote: post #172
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

Sounds like a case of "I had mine so you all can go f*ck yourselves"

That's not at all what I'm saying but ok. Don't worry, I vote for education reform/strength each time, its something I think is lacking here in some areas.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by bsaul »

daenz wrote: post #40
jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #2

However putting this data in the hands of FAANG is no problem at all, and totally can't end up in any nefarious hands.

Help me understand your perspective: are you American or no? I have a hard time understanding why an American wouldn't see FAANG as the lesser of two evils here.

not an american, but don't forget that america strives on democracy, which means approx the same laws for everyone.

killing tiktok because it's too successful will undermine US credibility as a fair entity in any kind of business negociation, with any country.

I wouldn't be surprised if this case would be used later by the EU in regulating FAANGs even more and inventing taxes just for them ( which, as a european i find completely outrageous, for the same reasons).

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by uejfiweun »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #174

Red flags ever since it was "breaking news" in the infosec community that TikTok collects "all information." It's sad at this point how much of a slave humanity is to vanity and social media. Social media is a higher risk to humanity than Climate Change. > When challenged if the CCP has seen any non-public user data, he said, “We have never shared information with the Chinese government nor would we […] Such easy mis…

You may want to google search "Sentient Program NRO". Yes, they've had some type of AI for quite a while, and they've openly admitted to it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by manuelmoreale »

puszczyk wrote: post #142
pokepim wrote: post #126

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Seriously, you equate banning TikTok to being a racist or an antisemite?

I think they’re equating the mindset of “my group of people who happens to have this nationality has to be top dog” with “my group of people who happens to have this skin color has to be top dog”

This is not really about tik tok but more about the broader stance expressed by the comment they’re replying to.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hnlmorg »

dubswithus wrote: post #161
hnlmorg wrote: post #128

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I haven't seen that happen in China either. How do you know it actually happened and wasn't some other rumour spread (since there's a plethora of disinformation both for and against the Chinese government)? To be clear, I'm not in favour of the Chinese regime but your particular point does still require a citation.

Because what I claimed is so outrageous? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c... I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though.

> Because what I claimed is so outrageous?

No, because what you claimed requires substantiation. Please lets be calm about our discussion here.

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...

> I’ll find the wechat story when I’m more awake. ADV china covered it though.

Thank you :)

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by cudgy »

modo_mario wrote: post #125
dubswithus wrote: post #52

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They aren’t just going to surveil you though. They will actively work to promote disinformation to you.

Do you have examples of this? China's big players from what I have seen have incompetent at even just advertising in the west. I remember reading an American study that went into this around the time these alerts around foreign misinformation started to get big. Turns out Russia is pretty damn good at it. The bit China tries is small and again incompetent (An example given was at small scale shelling out to buy popul…

The past and present is not the future. Only 20 years ago China was a third world country and conventional wisdom was that China could only make cheap trinkets and never be a threat to the mighty US economy.

Now they manufacture practically everything: the computers that drive our lives, makeup that fancies our wives, widgets for all of our digits, and even some foods to feed our broods.

Why can’t China improve in other areas like influential advertising and media campaigns? Having more data from TikTok doesn’t hurt their chances.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by hnlmorg »

biohacker85 wrote: post #176
hnlmorg wrote: post #116

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Well in that case I hope you don't moan when the EU places heavy restrictions on the data harvesting that American companies do. I get the paranoia around China, I honestly do. I'm not at all unsupportive of the Chinese regime either. But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop.

The companies themselves may moan but I don't think everyday Americans really care what the EU does. > But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop. Why would any nation treat foreign companies equal to their own? I don't see the problem especially when its from an adversary or a nation who's companies are an extension of their government.

> The companies themselves may moan but I don't think everyday Americans really care what the EU does.

I was talking about the commentary I see on HN. I don't think everyday Americans care what China does either, let alone the EU.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by moomoo11 »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #181
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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We can nitpick til the end of time, and I agree with you on those points. Like I said in my comment, nobody is perfect. Hell my own people were used as slaves for the longest times and called "sub humans".

We can do this for so many countries, I mean some of them literally murdered millions of people in camps (Germany, USSR, China), some of them were so corrupt their entire nations failed (Sri Lanka, African nations with people like Mugabe, etc.), while others were quiet and complacent in the conquest and rape of the world (most European countries) and now tell others from a high horse.

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