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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by wink »

atoav wrote: post #173
picsao wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Straw man, germany has physical speed limits on most of the Autobahn. Meaning the rightmost lane is usually filled with trucks, leaving one or two lanes, were the aging populations slowest drivers create a upper speed limits (usually 120). And even those struggle with those slow Netherlands caravans. Your habbits are not a borthright to be a traffic obsticle in another country.

I said driving on the German Autobahn (I live in Germany btw.) is more stressful than driving on a same looking street that has a speed limit of say 130 like in Austria. Traffic flow is better when all people go at similar speed. Safety is better, pollution is better, noise is better and it makes not that much difference. Given the fact that air resistance is increasing quadratically with speed, that fast cars are lo…

yeah, as someone living close to the Austrian border and being over there very often... every single trip every nth car overtakes me when I'm going 130 as allowed. You just need to be local and know where you'll have to pay a fine. Depends on which of theirs though, the one from Salzburg to Italy isn't so bad, but the others are.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by solarkraft »

koonsolo wrote: post #179
ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #84

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I'm not sure why this is the consistent take. We have e-scooters and bikes with limiters on speed, why would this be materially different than cars? It's not like it needs to slam on the brake, it just needs to disengage acceleration past a certain speed. This isn't new grounds for tech and it is _currently_ deployed on our streets. I'm not sure what the panic over this is, if anything this is a good thing - why shou…

Let's do a joke where we go on the highway, and some people in the back pull out a painted sign with (30). Camera of the car behind you detects it and breaks. I can see such shenanigans happening.

You seem to think that car manufacturers are extremely stupid

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by solarkraft »

worewood wrote: post #108
ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why this is the consistent take. We have e-scooters and bikes with limiters on speed, why would this be materially different than cars? It's not like it needs to slam on the brake, it just needs to disengage acceleration past a certain speed. This isn't new grounds for tech and it is _currently_ deployed on our streets. I'm not sure what the panic over this is, if anything this is a good thing - why shou…

The limits on ebikes are to prevent battery and motor overheating and catching fire.

and violating local laws

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

Their ideas of laws are hilarious as they are Kafkaesque.

Next, they will require a meter on your neck to charge you for air.

If I can't control a vehicle how I must outside of what's "permissible" because computers or artificial governors decide "what's best" for me when life and safety are at risk, then there's no way in hell I'm going to buy such a deathtrap. I can drive 140+ mph no problem in the right vehicle setup and maintained correctly under ideal, controlled conditions, but I absolutely don't trust ~95% of any else to.

I know enough computing power with LIDAR, optical cameras, thermal cameras, and MMWRADAR combined with specialized ML-CV can potentially (distant future) safely drive a vehicle faster than any human ever could, but we're nowhere near reliable, high-speed FSD.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by post_break »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #148
post_break wrote: post #63

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Come to Houston. You better be speeding on the highway or you're in danger. When everyone is speeding, and you're doing 60mph, you're a danger to yourself and everyone around you.

That’s one reason I’m avoiding your shithole of a country.

Way to add discord to the discussion.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by samatman »

standardUser wrote: post #115
userbinator wrote: post #107

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I'll be as inefficient as I want, because I'm paying for my own fuel.

Right, I was stating a reason why a rational person would not want to drive at excessive speeds, as the comment asked.

You got the question I was responding to backward, it was said that there is absolutely no rational reason why cars should be able to drive above 150km/hr.

"Come up with some reasons why people wouldn't want to drive fast" is trite, boring, I would have ignored it.

Edit to clarify: "Why not" in my reply isn't "Why not drive fast", it's "You say there is no rational reason, why not? Here's one".

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by userbinator »

Ekaros wrote: post #142
userbinator wrote: post #78

Not at all a subtle clue that the EU is rapidly speeding towards (pun very much intended) being a totalitarian socialist police state. On the other hand, one wonders how much support stuff like this will have in the US --- because at least it seems that we have the infamous Franklin quote and at least like to talk about our freedom a lot more...

It is not unique to EU. Just remember the Covid restrictions in USA in past years. Clearly fascist totalitarian policies. We are all heading to bad place and no one is fighting against it.

You're right, it's not just the EU but they seem to be leading (along with the Orwellian UK). The pandemic certainly raised the bar for tolerating totalitarianism. Also, 9/11 before that. There's definitely opposition, although whether it's sufficient is the question. One hopes the rest of the population will realise and join them before it's too late.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by 411111111111111 »

koonsolo wrote: post #178
atoav wrote: post #126

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Ok I'll bite. The single most thing I hate about driving car in Germany is the lack of an upper speed limit on big stretches of the Autobahn. If you cross over from any neighbouring country any driver will notice that what before was a friendly chugging along now has become a stressful battle between people who just want to go somewhere with a good compromise of speed and fuel use and speedsters who will breath up yo…

Maybe I'm too old school, but I don't agree with you. Here in Belgium there used to be a law that when you have 2 lanes in the same direction with a middle section separating the other direction(s), you could go 120. Then it became 90, and now in most places it's 70. There are no pedestrians there, so there is no real reason why not to drive at least 90. Everybody there drives 90. Speed limits are currently just too…

Their argument is basically what "strong towns" is about. There is a video series on YouTube which goes over the books content if you're interested. There is definitely truth in it and your examples are spot on with proving their point, you're just missing context as it's not really possible to summarize it in one comment.

But besides that: reducing speed from 90 to 70 is most likely not for safety and more about the noise pollution. But i guess you don't care about that, as you're only driving through

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by koonsolo »

solarkraft wrote: post #182
koonsolo wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's do a joke where we go on the highway, and some people in the back pull out a painted sign with (30). Camera of the car behind you detects it and breaks. I can see such shenanigans happening.

You seem to think that car manufacturers are extremely stupid

No I think that AI roadsign recognition is extremely stupid.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by koonsolo »

411111111111111 wrote: post #188
koonsolo wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm too old school, but I don't agree with you. Here in Belgium there used to be a law that when you have 2 lanes in the same direction with a middle section separating the other direction(s), you could go 120. Then it became 90, and now in most places it's 70. There are no pedestrians there, so there is no real reason why not to drive at least 90. Everybody there drives 90. Speed limits are currently just too…

Their argument is basically what "strong towns" is about. There is a video series on YouTube which goes over the books content if you're interested. There is definitely truth in it and your examples are spot on with proving their point, you're just missing context as it's not really possible to summarize it in one comment. But besides that: reducing speed from 90 to 70 is most likely not for safety and more about the…

My street used to be 70 and now it's 50. 70 was fine for me, so I indeed don't care. I care about a car mobility plan, not a car immobility plan.
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