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Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by WorldMaker »

kemayo wrote: post #65
karaterobot wrote: post #27

The healthiest thing for a creative person to do is ignore reviews, and not pay attention to comments about your work. Mentally, and emotionally, and creatively, I mean. Your job is to make things that other people can appreciate, or not, but you don't need to listen to them if you don't want to. Active community engagement is a fairly recent phenomenon, and it's a marketing technique, not an artistic one. I'm sure i…

I think Gilbert got hit hard by this because he's been running this personal blog since 2004, and suddenly getting a flood of shitty comments can't be fun.

Yeah, up until Return's announcement, it was a very quiet old school blog with a tiny readership (raises hand), one of very few left. It survived a long time without getting faced with modern internet communities and Reddit/HN hugs of death.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by chrisco255 »

munificent wrote: post #127
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

This is one of the main reasons I was happy to leave the game industry after eight years of doing it. Working incredibly hard to build a product served to a group of people that are often hurtful emotionally stunted man-children is just a deeply demoralizing experience. Obviously, many gamers aren't like that. But a fucking whole lot of them are, and they are extremely vocal, and it doesn't take many of them to suck…

"entitlement simulators" what? I'm sorry but how are Fortnite, Call of Duty, Elden Ring, Minecraft, etc entitlement simulators? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a narrative there. Lol at "speedrunning" being an indicator of colonialism impulse. It's as if the author of that talk is looking at the world through entitlement tinted glasses, heavily steeped in anti-colonialism and postmodernism and cannot see anything but.

Any time you run any kind of business, whether it's retail or video game production, your most vocal feedback will be negative. People are 10x more likely to complain about a bad experience than rave about a good experience. Social media just makes it easier to amplify the negative feedback, since it's far more likely to go viral. Add to that the fact that people can get clout and even earn their own following from doing entertaining takedowns of bad games and you get an adversarial attention economy that people pick up on. You really have to develop a thick skin and roll with the punches.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by jjav »

corrral wrote: post #155
belfalas wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine a bar where every time you walked in the door a half dozen dudes invariably turned around on their barstools and told you your clothes look like shit, your face is disgusting, you hair style is stupid, you smell like trash and, you should just fucking kill yourself now. How often would you want to go there? Replace the word 'bar' with 'school' and this sounds like a write-up of my much of my pre-university…

I'm convinced that junior high and high school, at least in the US, amount to mass child abuse. Like, structurally, that's just what they are , almost unavoidably without totally changing how they work. Even decent school experiences are, by the standards of the adult world, crazy-bad. How many people have anxiety-nightmares for a decade or more after graduating high school? How many unavoidable experiences in life s…

> I'm convinced that junior high and high school, at least in the US, amount to mass child abuse. Like, structurally, that's just what they are, almost unavoidably without totally changing how they work.

> Even decent school experiences are, by the standards of the adult world, crazy-bad.

Why is that? What is different about US schools?

I (nor my spouse) have any experience with US mid & high school but I hear things like this so I worry, having a young child now in the US, still many years away from high school.

In contrast, I can't think of anything bad about my (non-US) high school days. As a math geek I certainly wasn't in any hip group, but everyone was nice and it was a good experience. Now 30+ years later we're all still in touch and have reunions and meet whenever paths cross and remember those days fondly.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by tehjoker »

jayd16 wrote: post #102
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

Its a big mix of tech-literacy, lack of empathy in anonymous posts compared to in person interactions, and the main demographic being in peak pubescent angst. Recently I feel like there's a large performative element to it as well. Like virtue signaling but without the virtue. I guess its just one incarnation of in crowd bullying. Hipsterism and the like, but this current incarnation has a lot more anger to it.

It's kind of strange. I rarely play games except a few best sellers maybe once or twice a year when I binge them (eg Horizon or Resident Evil). Because I see them so infrequently perhaps, whenever I play a new game I am astonished at the level of detail and amount of beautiful and well thought out content and feel lucky to be given such a large gift so cheaply (amortizing the hardware costs of course...).

People that play more frequently I think have higher expectations because they are so tapped in they know what's new and what's old but it takes so much effort to create a novel experience that game designers have created a kind of red queen race for themselves.

This isn't too say there aren't pointed critiques that can be made of the industry that mainly relate to profit seeking behavior (gambling, excessive grinding, lack of variety, etc) but it would be good if gamers could back off the intensity to these more important areas.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by matheusmoreira »

chrisco255 wrote: post #182
munificent wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the main reasons I was happy to leave the game industry after eight years of doing it. Working incredibly hard to build a product served to a group of people that are often hurtful emotionally stunted man-children is just a deeply demoralizing experience. Obviously, many gamers aren't like that. But a fucking whole lot of them are, and they are extremely vocal, and it doesn't take many of them to suck…

"entitlement simulators" what? I'm sorry but how are Fortnite, Call of Duty, Elden Ring, Minecraft, etc entitlement simulators? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for a narrative there. Lol at "speedrunning" being an indicator of colonialism impulse. It's as if the author of that talk is looking at the world through entitlement tinted glasses, heavily steeped in anti-colonialism and postmodernism and can…

Completely agree with you. No idea why you're being downvoted.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by 3qz »

munificent wrote: post #127
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

This is one of the main reasons I was happy to leave the game industry after eight years of doing it. Working incredibly hard to build a product served to a group of people that are often hurtful emotionally stunted man-children is just a deeply demoralizing experience. Obviously, many gamers aren't like that. But a fucking whole lot of them are, and they are extremely vocal, and it doesn't take many of them to suck…

> Imagine a bar where every time you walked in the door a half dozen dudes invariably turned around on their barstools and told you your clothes look like shit, your face is disgusting, you hair style is stupid

It’s real and it’s every gay bar

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by RobertRoberts »

In the distant past (when the other monkey games came out) if you loved something you could put out effort to say something nice about it. But if you didn't like it, you wouldn't bother.

Now the threshold for complaining about or trash talking something is nearly zero, so here we have everyone on equal speech/public platform footing and we hear everything. It's sad, but also reality.

He would have quit after the first game (1990?) if the internet was as widely accessible and used back then.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by sph »

jayd16 wrote: post #102
chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

Its a big mix of tech-literacy, lack of empathy in anonymous posts compared to in person interactions, and the main demographic being in peak pubescent angst. Recently I feel like there's a large performative element to it as well. Like virtue signaling but without the virtue. I guess its just one incarnation of in crowd bullying. Hipsterism and the like, but this current incarnation has a lot more anger to it.

The Monkey Island audience is not made of teenagers. Plenty of commenters on that site are fully grown 30, 40 or 50 year old entitled adults. It's so easy to blame teens when many people are jerkwads and get even worse as they age.

Have you ever seen older people on the Internet? Those that are too old to be "digital native" and to have learned proper internet etiquette? They can be as psychopathic as any angry 13yo redditor.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by obiefernandez »

chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

Apparently you haven't dealt with NFT "investors"
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