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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by Akronymus »

Ferrotin wrote: post #157
bitwize wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Contributor Covenant is the gold standard for a reason: it is a response to the bigotry and harassment problems that were endemic to the open source communities. Alone it doesn't achieve much, but combined with a good faith enforcement board it helps keep a community a pleasant, joyful place to contribute to, for everyone. And that will increase software quality and attract quality people, aside from being, you k…

> it is a response to the bigotry and harassment problems that were endemic to the open source communities Such as???

Advocating for removing a contributor for a statement on a different site, unrelated to the project, for example?

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by thunderbong »

In this world of bits and bytes, a lot of early principles set by the founders get compromised as time goes on. We, as developers, tend to take these as "that's just the way it is", and move on.

Sure, some of us, try. Root our phones, host our own emails. But really, isn't being a good human underlying all that goes above it?

I'm not a Christian. I'm not even religious. IMHO though, if any software that I've ever written or would write in future, would help others realize that in the big picture, a belief and faith in humanity is the most important thing above all else, I would consider myself privileged.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by nindalf »

_vertigo wrote: post #176
nindalf wrote: post #168

There’s that libertarian streak of “his project, his rules” in this thread. He can include or exclude anyone he wants because it’s his project. Well, I read the very first line and see that he doesn’t want me, or people like me to be a contributor to this project. And that’s fine . His project, so I hear. But personally, I’ve felt welcome to contribute to every other open source project out there. I’ve felt welcome t…

Comparing the first rule to something based on race is a bit of a stretch.

Race is completely immutable. But religion is mostly immutable? Most people don't change their religious beliefs after a certain age. In practice, let's acknowledge that religion isn't changed. So telling someone, yeah you're fine to join us as long as you can change this characteristic about you that you almost certainly won't change ... how is that actually different?

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by bcrosby95 »

fooey wrote: post #122
logifail wrote: post #113

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> a set of beliefs The elephant in the room in many current attempts to encourage "diversity" is that a genuinely diverse range of opinions and/or beliefs ends up being not welcome at all.

Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.

That only works if you don't label half the population as intolerant.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by comment500 »

molyss wrote: post #11

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…

Agreed, as an atheist it all sounds fine to me. I can respect their code of ethics without feeling the need to adopt it myself.

I'm grateful to the author of SQLite for releasing this excellent piece of software into the public domain and continuing to maintain it for the benefit of all. If providing this good work to the world was driven by his Christian principles, then really, who are any of us to criticise. Indeed, we should all be thankful.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #172
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #166

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It would be extremely naive to think that fascism only happened in the 1920s-1940s. Obviously, todays fascism looks nothing like that of the modern era, just as todays leftists are different. But it’s back, poisoning our democracies and pushing the world into a new hell. Putin is a neofascist. I could tell you which Americans are fascists, but you all get touchy when anyone brings it up.

Ah yes, the crypto-fascism conspiracy theory - or the blackshirt scare. There's fascists everywhere. They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label, and their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism - but it's a serious threat! It's so powerful that they have to keep it a secret because they'll be cast out of polite society... At least McCarthy actually found people spying for t…

> They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label

Why would they? Much of our current mythology is based around slaughtering fascists in WW2. Why would anyone identify with that?

> their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism

Hence the appellation of neofascism. There is a direct thread of political genealogy from the alt-right to the OG fascists, through the European Nouvelle Droite (inspired by Mussolini) and including figures like Steve Bannon who used to push the British BNP: a legitimately neofascist party. He also was buddy with Dugin for a while: a confirmed neofascist.

Read some fucking history and get stuck into the thought and theories of the far right if you want to play this game son.

> it's a serious threat!

Finally, we can agree! Look at the escalating far right violence in the US and Canada, and the erosion of the open society in Europe, and the current actions of Russia and China.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #170
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #150

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Well, you wasted no time whatsoever in playing the Nazi card. If you're willing to hear a counterpoint: I disagree wholeheartedly with your worldview, and yet I support your right to express your views. See, I'm not looking to "silence", "suppress", or "destroy" you, even though I disagree with you. Please make a mental note that people like me exist and not everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist.

I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist.

> I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist.

That's a nice motte-and-bailey lumping together "should be alive" and "have certain rights". The former is a very specific kind of extreme biggot, and the latter can mean almost anything. You know, words have actual meanings and not everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist. You can look up the definition of the word "fascist" in a dictionary. The definition is a lot narrower than you think. A religious person who opposes abortion is not a fascist. An athlete who opposes trans womens' rights to compete in womens' competitions is not a fascist.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by _vertigo »

nindalf wrote: post #183
_vertigo wrote: post #176

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Comparing the first rule to something based on race is a bit of a stretch.

Race is completely immutable. But religion is mostly immutable? Most people don't change their religious beliefs after a certain age. In practice, let's acknowledge that religion isn't changed. So telling someone, yeah you're fine to join us as long as you can change this characteristic about you that you almost certainly won't change ... how is that actually different?

I guess in practice I have seen a lot of race based persecution and discrimination, not so much religious persecution. Not saying it doesn’t exist anywhere or for anyone, but based on my own experience, saying “love the lord god” feels way less discriminatory than “white people are preferred to block people” or something.
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