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Re: The most livable cities

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Post by frozencell »

xadhominemx wrote: post #137
qsort wrote: post #134

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Europe is a big place; fjords have little to share with Algarve or Greek isles as far as climate goes.

Everything north of the alps is pretty gloomy, especially compared to North America

Does Southern France has a climate close to the Bay Area? If the climate is relatively close, why is the region (between Nice and Montpelier) not a top place for technology? In Zug, Switzerland - not that far - there is a hub for blockchain but it looks like a financial paradise more than a full-time living place.

Sophia Antipolis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Antipolis) is definitely an attempt to build a Silicon Valley in Europe but why did it not work? It was pushed and funded extensively by the government, it doesn't feel natural after all. In the Bay Area, the government was there too, no delusion but private sector has shaped California for about 150 years. What always stroke me is the urban planning: the houses and roads are big and pretty even if they look old sometimes. It might be part of the Californian dream: a big job, a big car, a big home, etc. Also the administration and mentality is different, more Republican perhaps?

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Post by enw »

lbrito wrote: post #166
enw wrote: post #156

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And health care in Canada is a joke. Unless you have terminal cancer or close to death, good luck getting any specialist’s attention. You’ll wait for a year on a waitlist for someone to care. Doesn’t matter if you have money either, no way around it.

The system has serious issues, but I think you're being a bit too harsh. Trust me - I come from a country with a barely functioning single payer system, so my dynamic range here is pretty good. Family doctor crisis is real, there are absurdly long wait times and people suffer as a result. But some things are also top notch. My wife just had our first son a few weeks ago and everything was really good - and parts of t…

It’s relative. I’ve been in countries where the care is both top-notch, and you can get specialist attention and full-body checkups in a matter of days.

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Post by monocasa »

someone_else12 wrote: post #136
bildung wrote: post #96

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I think you mistook German for Germanic. German means citizenship in Germany, Germanics were peoples living in central Europe and Scandinavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples

German is also ethnicity, as I mentioned above, there are Germans e.g. in Kazakhstan and other countries, who are not German citizens.

How can it be an ethnicity when Germany itself was founded out of the leftovers of the Holy Roman Empire in the early 19th century? You might have an argument for some of the constitute elements like Prussia(ns), but even that's a stretch.

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Post by gautamcgoel »

enw wrote: post #182
lbrito wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The system has serious issues, but I think you're being a bit too harsh. Trust me - I come from a country with a barely functioning single payer system, so my dynamic range here is pretty good. Family doctor crisis is real, there are absurdly long wait times and people suffer as a result. But some things are also top notch. My wife just had our first son a few weeks ago and everything was really good - and parts of t…

It’s relative. I’ve been in countries where the care is both top-notch, and you can get specialist attention and full-body checkups in a matter of days.

Which places?

Re: The most livable cities

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Post by refurb »

camillomiller wrote: post #13

what is living well? Why are these lists always so skewed toward such a normative view of liveability? Zürich is a beautiful and well-organized city, for example, but every single time I've been there I've found out that its quiet translates into a boringness I've seldom experienced anywhere else. For me, a man in his late thirties who has no plans to have kids and form a normative family, it's a living nightmare.

Take a step back and think “why would the economist publish such an analysis that is clearly subjective”?

The answer is the analysis gets tons of press, people get worked up over the rankings, share the link, more eyeballs, more arguments, more eyeballs —> more ad revenue.

It’s the same reason starts up do blog posts of analyses, it’s free PR.

Pretty clearly it works based on the HN discussion alone.

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Post by agsamek »

leto_ii wrote: post #92

First of all, I'm not sure who this index is supposed to help. The EIU puts a new version out every year, but keeps pretty much all of it paywalled - I can't imagine who would be willing to pay a few hundred euros to find out that Western Europe is a nice place to live in. Secondly, it's funny to see how variable the scores are from one year to the next - with rare exceptions (e.g. Kiev right now) cities don't really…

If you plan to spend 1M somewhere to expand then buying a report for $1000 seems OK if you only believe the author did some research. In particular a research better than your assistant spending 40h on it which is more than $1000.

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Post by amf12 »

dzogchen wrote: post #148

This list is a complete joke, evidenced by the fact that they use a definition of livibility that puts cities that are barely walkable in the top 10.

While walkability should be a factor, less walkable cities could be better than more walkable cities due to other factors that impact the standard of living - opportunities, public transit, housing, etc.

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Post by andsoitis »

creativenolo wrote: post #25
camillomiller wrote: post #13

what is living well? Why are these lists always so skewed toward such a normative view of liveability? Zürich is a beautiful and well-organized city, for example, but every single time I've been there I've found out that its quiet translates into a boringness I've seldom experienced anywhere else. For me, a man in his late thirties who has no plans to have kids and form a normative family, it's a living nightmare.

You should be able to have fun anywhere. But seriously, should they be skewed more single 30s guys with no commitments? Should they be skewed towards the things that benefit the majority of people who are not single 30s guys. Saying this as a former 'single guy in his 30s' myself.

A great, sophisticated city can cater to a large range of lifestyles. Whether you’re into art, sort, outdoors, movies, dining, reading, etc.

Whether you’re a teen, in your thirties, or in your eighties.

If you’re city doesn’t cater for this range, it simply isn’t a great city, but rather a playground for a particular type.

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Post by z5h »

enw wrote: post #182
lbrito wrote: post #166

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The system has serious issues, but I think you're being a bit too harsh. Trust me - I come from a country with a barely functioning single payer system, so my dynamic range here is pretty good. Family doctor crisis is real, there are absurdly long wait times and people suffer as a result. But some things are also top notch. My wife just had our first son a few weeks ago and everything was really good - and parts of t…

It’s relative. I’ve been in countries where the care is both top-notch, and you can get specialist attention and full-body checkups in a matter of days.

Proper triaging and optimal utilization of resources doesn't imply you should be seen quickly. You should be treated at a pace that data shows is "good enough" given the severity and nature of symptoms.
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