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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Both Mexico and Ireland allow abortion.

Within past year or two, Google has been there much longer.

If I had to guess, it's because in neither of those locations did people lose rights that they had previously been granted. This is a substantive shift in peoples' bodily autonomy. If you don't want theocratic fascists inspecting your body, all of a sudden you have to uproot.

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This is the n'th tech company today that's made an announcement similar to this. Even Disney is going to transport workers to abortion-legal states as needed as "health benefit". It's certainly a perk and good on Google for this one, but we're headed to a dark place if your best shot at human rights is to retain employment by a big tech company.

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I suppose industry specific regulation may be more direct, but if a company has a majority of employees who strongly believe in a specific social issue, such as abortion access, then couldn't it also be in the company's interest to lobby for that specific issue?

How did that work out for Disney?

I'm confused at how that follows what you were saying. I thought you were saying businesses try to act in their rational self-interest and I was trying to highlight how political issues could be in their rational self-interest.

I don't think the effects of one's actions, such as those of Disney's, would negate whether the company intended to do something to help their own company.

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Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

I recently declined an Apple role that required Austin relocation. I like Austin and considered the move, but ultimately my family is my priority. We can't risk moving to a tech hub in a blistering red state with growing regulation on personhood. I told the recruiter Apple needs to reconsider where it plans to do long-term business.

Nice, what team was that? I'd happily take that Apple role and support a red state as well.

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And I, having seen Austin, TX grow from a laughingstock to an industry powerhouse, find your points humorous. There is a very big elephant in the room for where people are moving. And those people are young. And those people do not have the belief monoculture that has existed prior. Smaller elephant in the room #2 is that cost pressures and globalism don't care about the opinions of the traditional PMC that has reign…

Austin is a long way from being a "tech powerhouse"

Well, perhaps. But at least when they had homeless people dying on the streets and shit all over the place, they finally cleaned it up in a little over a year.

One may ask how many decades it takes for that to happen in the places all the imports are from.

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wrt. business decision. I think that in-vitro fertilization would soon become not an option in the "life at conception" states. Probably eggs freezing too. Even may be some forms of contraception. That will have more and more negative impact on that group of employees who would need such services. Also family planning becomes very dented at the "planning" part as getting pregnant one would have to accept the much hig…

> I think that in-vitro fertilization would soon become not an option in the "life at conception" states. Probably eggs freezing too. do you have an actual reason for thinking this will happen? this is detached from reality, both of these procedures are meant to create babies which are carried to term, which is the fundamental goal of pro-life policies

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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there. Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both…

“Prove you had a miscarriage“ Shudders

Sounds a lot like “if she floats she’s a witch”

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> pulled out (...) to avoid reputational damage to their brands. French retailer Auchan did not move out of Russia and I have some friends who stopped shopping there and are quite vocal about how noone should shop there.

Because the company decided that the risk of reputational damage was smaller than the value of their Russian operations? The fact that they decided to stay put doesn't mean they support the invasion. Don't anthropomorphize corporations.

Even if you don't want to anthropomorphize the company, it's still the smart decision to take action as if they were in this case. Social and reputation repercussions were evidently not weighed heavily enough so if we want them to take a different action in the future then we as a society needs to respond to change that weighting in the future. If you just pass it off as a company being a company seeking profit as if it were a force of nature and don't do anything about it, then you remove one of the incentives for a company to align with the morals of greater society.

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Here you go: https://www.findlaw.com/family/reproductive-rights/griswold-... > At the time, a Connecticut law prohibited the use of "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception" and punished anyone who "assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another" to do so (in other words, it wasn't a crime to sell birth control devices, but it was a crime to use birth control or…

The "at the time" was 1965. Contraception was new and controversial 50 years ago. It's not anymore and is widely supported. Is there any current law or proposal to outlaw contraception? Such a law would be wildly unpopular, even among most pro-life people.

> It's not anymore and is widely supported.

So is abortion, and yet, it's 2022, and the leopards are eating our faces.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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> 24 weeks of maternity leave from Google You know these 24 weeks aren't a vacation, right? They're about 100x more demanding then the average tech job, and on-call 24/7. Not to mention that after the 24 weeks are up, you still have another unpaid (in fact, you are paying!) full time job of raising a child for at least another 17.5 years. That is a tall task for someone hoping to climb in their career, even if they w…

"keep the baby"

The ordeal and prospect of raising a child aside - pregnancy and childbirth is inherently dangerous.

Banning abortion is in effect saying women are incubators. Par the course for American Christians. Hopefully this Roe reversal causes people to be a bit less apologetic about that religion here.

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