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Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by ASalazarMX » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 9:26 PM UTC

stareatgoats wrote: post #176

ASalazarMX wrote: post #164

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It's not reverting to a natural climate, it's trying to not make it worse by pumping even more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The adaptation we have to make is finding a way to keep most of our comforts in a sustainable way, and that won't come from recycling plastic or driving an EV, but from industry and regulation.

> from industry and regulation I agree. These tools should make our crash landing softer than a laissez faire policy. But 1. I'm pessimistic about the true intent of the powers that be. While paying lip service to climate action there is hardly any real action: renewables are just an extra energy source on top of the existing cheap fossil fuels that give nations some independence vs the gulf states. There is a scramb…

I'm actually not against oil extraction, it has many, many uses besides burning it as fuel. Renewables could fill that gap. I agree that governments seem to drag their feet, tossing the hot potato to the future.

About the next big climate change, you're right, those are inevitable given enough centuries. If it happens, people will deal with it in their time, but let's try not to cause one ourselves.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 9:29 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #113

pram wrote: post #46

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“virtually always” and “have never encountered evidence” uh huh

Was he supposed to prove that this is true in every situation for all time or were we talking about general trends? Also New York at least sends aid to Texas in their time of need[1] unlike in the reverse when Texan senators make sure no aid goes to New York in the event of a natural disaster[2]. Actions speak louder than words and I don't see New York as a state treating Texas as a state to abandon while Texas is ad…

My main objection to their response was that when I said I'd never heard 'flyover country' used unironically (which remains true, by the way, I haven't), they restated it as "People in NYC and SF NEVER have anything but noble and well intentioned thoughts and comments about places like Texas" and attacked that. They could have just left it at, "Well, I have heard it used unironically," and it would have been fine. Instead, they went on to create exactly the kind of judgmental snobbish coastal elite straw man my original post was complaining about.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by chipotle_coyote » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 9:43 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #110

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I’ve started using it unironically but only after years of that section of a country attacking my part both physically and politically. It’s flyover country to me because I refuse to give them a dollar in economic activity and will not land in their state. I have spent additional money to take longer flights that put the money into states who do not talk about killing mine.

The sort of ironic thing for me is that I've really liked the time I've spent in Dallas, as recently as this year, and loved Lawrence, Kansas, when I was in a residential writing workshop there some years back. Kansas City, Missouri, was great when I was there for a world science fiction convention. If the politics in Texas weren't on track to go full fascist I'd probably have given Dallas a serious look at a place to retire to in a few years.

But, yeah, my whole beef with "flyover country" is, to put it less gently than my original post (trying to be fairly neutral didn't work because I got attacked for what I didn't actually say anyway), I've historically almost always heard the term being used by conservatives to justify liberal-bashing. It's not California politicos who go around saying "flyover country"; it's QAnon-spouting bible-thumping tea partiers rallying their troops by yelling "Nancy Pelosi calls this 'flyover country,' are you gonna let her?" who do.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by dendrite9 » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 6:55 AM UTC

igitur wrote: post #125

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Didn't that work out in the last 2 cycles of La Niña? I read about drought in South Africa recently but I admittedly know nothing about weather patterns there.

Depends on which part of South Africa you're referring to. Cape Town (Western Cape) had a much publicised drought 2015-2018 [1], but that's been broken. This drought was partial attributed to El Niño. At the moment dams in the Eastern Cape are empty [2]. My mother's taps in Gqeberha are on a trickle only. No idea whether (El|La) Niñ[ao] is responsible here, but maladministration of available water has also been menti…

Thanks, I remember the Cape Town drought with the semi regular mention of Day Zero in articles. I recently read about another Day Zero in the Nelson Mandela Bay region and thought it was a continuation of the earlier drought. I didn't realize the distance and climate differences. Good luck to your mother.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by htlion » Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 5:45 PM UTC

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #149

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Residential is only 7% if you put the burden on the producer (agriculture) and not the consumer (people). Every time that such numbers are shared, most people quickly jumps to "farmers should pay more attention / switch cultures". Very rarely someone will talk about the impacts: a change of diet for consumers, most likely with less meat (though depends on the area). It is easy to assume that the water you consume onl…

Not really. I live in NM. The agriculture sector here produces less than 8% of both the calories and pounds of food consumed within the state. Most of the beef production in NM is exported out of state (and country). So if the "burden is on the consumer", it's on people who don't live in US southwest, and that has to stop. The fever dreams of the 1930s/40s bureau of reclamation have done so much damage.

We need to compare the imported water from food and the exported water from food. Also, considering NM is a bit tricky. With 7 inhabitants /km2, NM is a very rural state, so it is expected that it would export its food. I would be very interested in the water balance for the US, knowing that we import a lot of soy for cattle.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by brewdad » Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 12:21 AM UTC

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #177

lovich wrote: post #167

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> “the area" is not homogenous. the northern parts of AZ and NM (even CA) to some extent are climactically and geologically quite unlike the southern parts Well then it sounds like they have a local solution to the issue and don’t need to bother us > humans have lived in the area for thousands of years. And then humans changed the environment. > it's not unlivable If it’s not unliveable then they should be able to su…

What are you talking about?

Move Phoenix and Tucson to Flagstaff.

Problem solved?

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by jillekuipers » Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 9:44 AM UTC

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #114

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very nice to read that you are exploring something new, how is it going for you? and are you using growlights?

It’s actually going great! I do have it under lights, though I hope to get the hang of it and eventually set up some vertical systems outdoors to make them more cost effective. Maybe next spring. Right now my lights, air pump, and fan cost around $25/month to run. Nutrients are remarkably inexpensive (perhaps pennies per head of lettuce assuming they mature on schedule). All said it’s maybe a $30-35 per month hobby w…

That's amazing to read. Thank you for sharing. The economics that you describe are really good! And I can see it is a rewarding experience to grow your own. Keep growing!