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Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by whymauri »

rlpb wrote: post #147
simonswords82 wrote: post #134

Nextdoor wins my prize for the scummiest human manipulation to increase user signups I've witnessed. I live in the UK in a cul-de-sac with about 25 houses in the street. We've lived here about 4 years and have a dog so we have bumped in to all the neighbours and know all of them by name at least. I get a note through my door from NextDoor claiming to be from a neighbour in my street with a name that we did not recogn…

I got this: " wants you to be their emergency contact on Nextdoor. In case of emergency, wants their neighbors to be able to message you via Nextdoor. Please accept their invitation to join and connect on Nextdoor so that you can be their emergency contact." This is scummy manipulation also. They now have my email address. That's an emergency contact, right there. But they aren't going to let anyone use it unless I "…

That is insidious. Shame on NextDoor.

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Post by llamaimperative »

uniqueuid wrote: post #116
adamredwoods wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they did not shoot her. And it's not NextDoor, it's only exposing a larger issue. https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/7/18528014/fear-social-med... >> The issue is compounded by the media, Ewoldsen says. >> “If you see more coverage of crime you think it’s more of an issue, even if real-world statistics say it isn’t,” Ewoldsen said. >> And all this is happening at a very contentious point in time, both politic…

Please note that the fear-instilling effect of media coverage is not backed by conclusive evidence. George Gerbner's famous television studies suggested that heavy viewers of crime shows would become more fearful and over-estimate violent crime (hence the name "scary world theory"). But scientific support is mixed, it's not safe to assume that this effect exists.

Seems to me that this is a direct corollary of the claim that people’s beliefs are affected at least somewhat by the data they are exposed to. This seems self-evidently true.

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

te_chris wrote: post #128
Lammy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nextdoor already has one, and they're trying to take it away. Once a day isn’t “engaging” enough when Nextdoor’s biggest competitor is built around real-time notifications of fear-porn-near-you: https://citizen.com/

Jesus. That is some proper scifi dystopian stuff. Any employees on here? How do you live with yourselves?

Why not address the shareholders and officers with that question?

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Post by kube-system »

wil421 wrote: post #164
kube-system wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are mild. In my nextdoor feed, there’s an elderly woman who angrily replies to every post telling them to stop emailing her. She apparently doesn’t know how to turn off notifications. People have tried to help but I guess she doesn’t read the replies either.

Not sure if Amazon still does this but when someone asked a question about a recently purchased item you’ll get an email with their question. A lot of times the response is something like “I don’t know quit emailing me” or something similar.

> “does this motherboard support 4th gen ryzen?”

> “I don’t know my grandson seems to like it”

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by phil21 »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

> we live in an incredibly safe wealthy suburb and these people “crept” to a window

This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears.

I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart, and the "bubble" it put so many citizens in I believe is the most harmful thing to happen to the US at least in the modern era. Not to mention the financial sustainability of the past 50 years of construction.

It has very little to nothing to do with Nextdoor. Those apps just bring into the open what I've been personally witnessing the past 20 years.

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Post by georgeecollins »

buchoo wrote: post #148
adamredwoods wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least they did not shoot her. And it's not NextDoor, it's only exposing a larger issue. https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/5/7/18528014/fear-social-med... >> The issue is compounded by the media, Ewoldsen says. >> “If you see more coverage of crime you think it’s more of an issue, even if real-world statistics say it isn’t,” Ewoldsen said. >> And all this is happening at a very contentious point in time, both politic…

Similarly, the effect of media coverage can also be thought to be visible in perceptions of race relations. When polled, Americans say that their local race relations are still near the best they've ever been, but for the past few years have tended to respond more and more negatively about the quality of race relations at a national level — ie, what they perceive through the media and social media.

Decades old and still completely relevant, "Culture of Fear": https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Fear-Americans-Afraid-Things/...

Also, in my experience older people just get more paranoid. I have seen it happen with family members who are otherwise pretty sharp. They get more wary or suspicious in ways that aren't very rational. Since that is a lot of the folk who hang out on places like Nextdoor, I can see how that goes. That's why you need diversity and young families in neighborhoods. It provides balance.

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Post by bugzz »

phil21 wrote: post #185
toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

> we live in an incredibly safe wealthy suburb and these people “crept” to a window This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears. I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart,…

> Not to mention the financial sustainability of the past 50 years of construction

? you think we are overbuilding?

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Post by greedo »

I find the paranoia in suburbia amazing. I have a coworker who bought a new house in a brand new development. He works as does his wife, but his mother lives in the home as well.

The first thing he did was install 7 cameras with motion sensing alerts. I asked him what he was protecting against and he came up with vague comments about burglars etc. (FYI the crime rate in our town is very low, and especially low in his neighborhood and the surrounding older neighborhoods).

So he spends all day getting alerts as the cameras mis-diagnose moving shadows (caused by the sun) as "movement." All the new construction in the neighborhood triggers the cameras frequently, and eventually he disabled most of the alerts.

I think our society has done such a thorough job of feeding us "fear porn" that we are all ready to assume the worst.

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Post by ericmay »

bugzz wrote: post #187
phil21 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we live in an incredibly safe wealthy suburb and these people “crept” to a window This is endemic in American society now. Everywhere I lived in the suburbs/exurbs I'd describe the vast majority of my neighbors to act exactly like that. Utter sheer fear of things that simply don't exist. And they vote on those fears. I don't think American society survives the suburbs, personally. The social fabric it ripped apart,…

> Not to mention the financial sustainability of the past 50 years of construction ? you think we are overbuilding?

I'm going to hazard a guess that the OP agress here but I'll at least chime in with my own take on that which is our building habits of desertification of the planet (grass and a few trees is a biological desert) based on a mistaken belief of cheap, infinite oil to power cars happily down roads unimpeded by traffic, building cheap houses that won't last at out of plastic, composite materials which are needed because of poor architecture and a negative heating feedback loop were a bit unsustainable.

We're both under-building (in terms of volume, and quality) and over-building in terms of spreading things out too much.

This does not mean pack everyone into skyscrapers like Hong Kong. It means building medium density neighborhoods like we used to (ya know all of the most expensive places in America? Wonder why they're so expensive...) where most of your daily activity would involve walking or biking somewhere, you have some yard in the back of your home and you probably own a single car but can certainly own more than one if needed. But transit isn't 99% (literally) car-based infrastructure.

EVs won't solve these problems. The root problem is car-based infrastructure so more efficient cars just puts more people on the road and uses more resources. The only solution is changing architecture and neighborhood design.

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