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Why does science news suck so much?

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Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#181
As a counterpoint, I'm a scientist whose work occasionally gets media attention.

I was definitely worried about my name being featured in the middle of absolute nonsense, but the experience has usually been good: very few of the journalists completely missed the mark. The "tone" didn't always match what I was trying to get across, but it was usually close to someone in the field's attitude.

There were some minor errors and a lot of them come from a surprising source: many journals believe it's unethical to show "copy" (the complete article) to a source--or sometimes anyone outside the newsroom. Some scientific terms have nuances that aren't immediately obvious to people outside the field. For example, mine distinguishes between "inhibition" of neural activity, which involves specific molecular mechanisms (GABA, mostly) and suppressing it, which could be anything. This distinction probably isn't obvious to even attentive "general" fact-checker.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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Exactly this. It is all about click bait to drive digital advertising. It is largely our own fault. We (by and large) don't want to pay good journalism. We want it to be free which means ads. NPR/PBS tends to have better and more balanced news but it is largely because of their donor/patron model. But to be clear, they are surely not immune. They are still run by people who are judged by views and reach and other eye…

> Exactly this. It is all about click bait to drive digital advertising. It is largely our own fault. We (by and large) don't want to pay good journalism. I'm not buying it. Science reporting from university press departments is just as bad if not worse, and they are funded by the university not advertising (tuition, grants, alumni donations, etc..)

University press departments are (indirectly) funded by grant agencies. Thus, it is strongly in their interests to convey to those agencies that their institution is doing groundbreaking work.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#184
"It seems to be written for an audience which doesn’t know the first thing about science. But I wonder, is it just me who finds this annoying?"

Nope, and that's basically the root cause: it's designed to get clicks and shares from people who Believe (rather than Understand) Science™

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#185
Odd that no one mentioned SEO?

Linking to anything in your article is bad, if people click on it they are not clicking on advertisements.

If its a page not often linked to by high profile websites you are endorsing it.

The target page (journal publication) might not be available to the crawler. It could be poorly formatted from a search engines perspective.

But if it isn't paywalled the article about the publication is pretty much a less specific duplicate of the page you've linked to. Which one to rank higher? The duplicate or the original? Extra points if you copy the illustrations too.

Ah, you've been using the big words now have you? These big unusual words must be important to the context of the article. The average casual reader most likely prefers English.

You put a date at the top of your article? That means it is important today but less important on every day that follows.

I'm sure I'm missing 20 other relevant "optimizations".

edit: Try imagine what happens with the news website if it is dropped from the index because it doesn't follow the SEO guidelines. Is there any hope?

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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Sure it better. But instead of making dozens of people learning something you paid for school lunches for 200 students each month? It’s a limit pot of tax payer money and it needs to be used on the highest impact things.

How can you tell what has impact, though? What's the point in paying for school lunches for kids who have no interest in learning?

Even with your cynicism — and from your argument, why send them to school at all? — food is so cheap that paying for everyone’s school meals (even if they could afford it without help or hate learning) is a really cheap way to help those that are interested but can’t afford to eat well.

Let me use UK costs as an example, to show how cheap school lunches are compared to all the other aspects of education, because I don’t know the USA well enough: If I assume £2/school lunch (mine were £1, but that was the 90s), and if the school year is still 39 weeks, that’s £390/year, or £11,700 per year for a class of 30, compared to a qualified teacher’s starting salary of £25,714 (head teachers go up to £125,098 in London), and then you need to add the cost of books, and consumables, and the building itself, and insurance, and support staff (HR, caretakers, supply teachers).

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

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A friend of mine worked for a mainstream European science news website. Most journalists had no science background, and were pressured into writing 4 articles a day. The result of course, was low quality articles and hastily copied press releases with no critical thinking. They believed everything corporations said, because they had no time to check. I don't blame the journalists, but the work conditions and economic…

Exactly this. It is all about click bait to drive digital advertising. It is largely our own fault. We (by and large) don't want to pay good journalism. We want it to be free which means ads. NPR/PBS tends to have better and more balanced news but it is largely because of their donor/patron model. But to be clear, they are surely not immune. They are still run by people who are judged by views and reach and other eye…

> It is largely our own fault. We (by and large) don't want to pay good journalism.

It's not about people not wanting to pay, it's that the value of a single article is too small to charge money for. A single article is maybe worth a hundredth of a cent to me. There's no viable mechanism for me to pay a hundredth of a cent to a writer, just transaction fees will be more than the amount transacted.

I'm not going to pay a subscription to a site I might not ever visit again. I'm also not going to pay a subscription fee to every site I come across that might have a decently written article once in a while. Advertising ends up being the only viable way to "charge" a tiny fraction of a cent to readers.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#188

Because science is reaaaally hard to generalise for the public, and Universities love to put out press releases. Finding someone qualified to go to for comment is not straightforward. They’re not necessarily even going to be in your country. I’m a physicist by background and even when active in academia it was hard for me to understand some papers in closely related sub fields, and that was with working experience in…

I'm also starting to think that most of the low hanging simple ideas are done already, so what is left is exceedingly technical and field specific ideas. Either these aren't very interesting for general public or explaining them is difficult.

Not to forget push for media by most institutions on anything that could garner positive press.

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#189

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Sorry, but news organizations aren't out there doing what the public wants. Most of them are doing what will get attention. That is very different. The public doesn't want to have to give them attention, but when they say things like "X cures cancer" or "X is a threat to your children" it makes people listen. When the article turns out to be nothing, a small fraction of the people you fooled turn off your channel for…

> This behavior needs to be called out and there needs to be accountability. However, there is none. Even when the stories are completely fabricated, as happened at USA Today recently. I'd love a browser extension that shows me a crowd-sourced batting average for the author of any article I'm reading online. Something that tells me "Oh, you're reading an article written by journalist Joe Schmoe? Joe has previously wr…

The idea sounds good, but I don't think it could work in the real world. The result wouldn't be people endorsing the quality of an article, but rather whether the article weighs on their political side of an issue

Re: Why does science news suck so much?

#190
Science is really hard to make into news for three reasons:

1. Error and uncertainty. The news like concrete facts, not (paraphrased from the article), "3 months plus or minus 100 years". Also, a lot of science does not hold up over time. It takes a long time to explain uncertainty and it also dilutes from how interesting the article might be.

2. Science is mostly boring. Incremental, tiny improvements in understanding add up over time, but really are hard to get excited about individually. Once in a while we get a huge leap, but most of the time, it's "we got a few more digits of pi calculated". It's really hard to extrapolate these tiny changes into anything that the average reader will even notice in their lifetime.

3. Ultimately, science has to compete for attention with wars, politics, sport, local, finance (ok, might be as boring as most science, but at least people are literally invested).

So, it's hard. BTW - the author of the article does a great job making science more interesting. Would love to see more writers cover the subject at the level Sabine Hassenfelder does.

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