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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by krylon »

Sunspark wrote: post #155
jrochkind1 wrote: post #127

MOSTLY. > Windows releases where Internet Explorer will still be available after June 15, 2022, include Windows 7 ESU, Windows 8.1, and all versions of Windows 10 LTSC client, IoT, and Server. > "The Internet Explorer (IE) 11 desktop application will end support for Windows 10 semi-annual channel starting June 15, 2022," Microsoft says on the IE11 lifecycle page. > As Microsoft further explains, "for supported operat…

I've never quite understood this MS policy of "ending support" but continuing support anyway for extended support contract customers or for specific versions, etc. The way I look at it, MS obviously is actually continuing to support the product, they are just choosing not to make it available to most people. It's still supported, just not for everyone. I feel that if security patches are still being produced, they sh…

As I recall (vaguely) Microsoft did release a few security fixes for Windows XP and Windows 7 after their respective ends-of-lives on a case-by-case basis when the security issue was especially bad.

I am by no means a fan of Microsoft's, but when you release an OS and some applications and provide security fixes for ten years, asking for people who want to continue using that OS/app beyond that point to buy a support contract is not a complete dick move. In the FLOSS world, you may get volunteers who maintain a piece of software as a labor of love, but with something like Windows or IE, someone needs to pay people to do that work.

It might make sense to create something like a foundation to take care of the long term support for software, which would benefit everyone. I'm kind of surprised actually that this has not happened, yet (to my knowledge, at least).

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Post by evanelias »

philliphaydon wrote: post #33

First time I ever wanted to embed an image into a HN comment. This image is so fitting! https://i.imgur.com/MgGvQHH.png

In a similar vein, I can't help but love the impression of IE in this classic Firefox ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNy9iQ-l7wo

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by Jaruzel »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #114
Jaruzel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If one is desperate, there is also the option of the classic Webview control in Visual Studio (or even the old VB6 version) which with little bit of UI added around it, can substitute for the real IE for certain enterprise legacy webapps. A bit more effort, can also lock the control to only browse to the intended web service, and launch the default browser for any external links. There's kind of a market for this typ…

these WebView on VB6 isn't the IE6 engine ?

No it's a wrapper around the installed version of IE.

As a sibling comment stated, you use the registry to tell the WebView what version of IE you want to emulate (on a per app basis).

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by brutusborn »

night-rider wrote: post #11
timeimp wrote: post #5

Does anyone work in an “enterprise” environment who have been dreading this day? Any apps / mainframes / industrials systems that needs IE to run?

If there are legacy systems that would be too expensive to tear down and modernise, then some form of regulatory fine should be implemented to stop this. There is no excuse for running IE anywhere these days, especially now after this news which puts the final nail in the coffin.

Are you joking? Why would you punish people for using old tech?

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Post by mrtksn »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #178
mrtksn wrote: post #88

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Resisting web standards is alright, if people make standards compliant websites it will simply mean that Safari users will miss out some stuff. The problem starts when you implement alternative standards and you have a market share to make people code for your standard. In this situation, your users don't suffer but everyone else suffer, that's what I call villain. Check Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strat…

The market forces work the other way. If Safari can't do something, like say if it can't work with webgl 2.0 until four and a half years after every other major browser adds support, devs will avoid using it and middleware will have to maintain support for webgl 1.0 longer. This slows down adoption of web standards and affects everyone. The only property that benefits from dragging your heels on webgl 2.0 adoption is…

Sure, it will have an effect but Apple's market share is tiny. If there was something great to be done with the stuff that Apple is dragging their feet to implement, we would have it on other platforms and Apple will actually be forced to act on it.

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Post by [deleted] »

fartcannon wrote: post #44
hda111 wrote: post #26

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Look like browsers can only exist as monopoly.

Firefox rose to power because people like you and me used it. We told people to use it. This can happen again, we just need to collectively stop feeding these monopoly wannabes.

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Post by kiririn »

user_7832 wrote: post #133

I posted this as a reply to a comment here but I felt it would be better to ask as a separate comment - Does anyone (especially from MS) know why later versions of IE and pre-chromium Edge were so good and snappy with scrolling? The level of accuracy and speed was incredible (on touchpads at least) - it was probably the last time I had an interaction on a computer that made me go "wow".

I agree the input lag and scroll curves in later IE was some of the best I’ve seen. Firefox was as good for a time but is now (slightly) worse after changing to a more chrome-like curve

They really went all out on input lag reduction for Windows 8 touch interfaces. I remember some videos from the time where they showed off such low input lag that scrolling and drawing almost perfectly tracked finger movement. Perhaps not so impressive today with iOS as a benchmark, but Windows is still king for desktop input lag

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by night-rider »

brutusborn wrote: post #185
night-rider wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there are legacy systems that would be too expensive to tear down and modernise, then some form of regulatory fine should be implemented to stop this. There is no excuse for running IE anywhere these days, especially now after this news which puts the final nail in the coffin.

Are you joking? Why would you punish people for using old tech?

It’s a liability. The problem with security measures is that there is no immediate reward, but a few years down the line and you get ransomware’d you would want to have replaced legacy systems with modernised software and hardware. You need to weigh the cost of modernisation versus getting embarrassingly pwned.
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