I still prefer Atom's UX design over VSCode and I can't explain why. Amazing job on that front! I hope it gets traction with community support.
Same here. I've tried VSCode multiple times but still switched back to atom. Just FEELS RIGHT.
Sunsetting Atom
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#182Atom has been dead for years, this is just the state funeral. The situation now is: * Sublime for the Williamsburg corpo-hipsters * emacs and vim for the wizards and furries * VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor * WebStorm for the chads with the monster rigs to run it
> VSCode for all the normies who just want to get on with doing their job and don't feel a need to express their identity or politics through choice of editor Seems like just another kind of identity: The self-titled "normie" who glances over at the "corpo-hipsters" and "wizards and furries" and smugly pats themselves on the back about how they're so much better because, unlike everyone else, they just want to "get o…
The fact is, I can't do my job very effectively with Visual Studio Code. That's why I throw it down in frustration and storm back to Emacs every time I try it. Emacs has features that allow me to pretend to be an organized, functional person on the job -- notably, Magit, org-mode, and always-on Lisp that helps me automate away the tedious unusual bits of our process. If you were to compel me to use Visual Studio Code, much of my effort which is today productive would be lost as waste heat.
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#183I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…
I use both pycharm professional and vscode; vscode's remote is much better and it makes it way easier to work on projects that use multiple programming languages.
Also the default editor of the IDEA family is just unbearable (but there's the vim plugin for that, I guess), while Monaco is fine.
The only area where vscode is downright embarassing is interfacing with databases. In pycharm I can have a complete view of the database I'm connected to, run queries, get warnings and errors from inline SQL, and so on. Vscode has... strings?
If the remote capabilities get better, though, I'd admittedly have no reason to stay in the vscode camp.
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#184I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…
Totally agree, if I'm gonna put effort into building my IDE it's gonna be vim or emacs. I use nvim most of the time and intellij on occasion for debugging.
Oh, I do the same. Coding in vim and debugging in vscode. The GUI and mouse support is a better experience.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
vim -> Sublime -> Emacs -> VSCode -> Emacs ^^^^^ I am here.
If you're retaining vim on your workstation for quick editing of files, I'd encourage you to keep an eye on the Helix editor. https://helix-editor.com/ There are three nice things about it: it flips vim's into a (like kakoune); it's got tree-sitter support out of the box (including for navigation); it's got LSP support out of the box. Its keybinding is perhaps in "uncanny valley" of vim's. Overall, it still feels wel…
I've tried, but it's still a little immature for me. Definitely an interesting idea worth exploring more.
And the reason I went back to Emacs is because of elisp and M-x. Those are the true killer features of that editor, still unrivaled.
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#186It's what kickstarted Electron which eventually gave us VSCode, Slack, and lots of HN comments about memory usage. It also had the sweetest default theme of any code editor. RIP.
Electron is both an amazing enabling technology, and also an artifact of the sad state of affairs for computing platforms. One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms. Instead we ended up in this bizzare world where if you want to maintain a desktop GUI app, you either need a large team to sup…
I still think of these inefficient things as being great multipliers of potential, even if wasteful.
FWIW: I'm probably one of the most "IT Conservative" people on this site, I still believe in sysadmins, dislike systemd, hate electron etc;
But there is something to be said about developer productivity: if you can build a prototype in 10 days when it would have taken 10 weeks that can be a huge differentiator between companies; it means you can make 6x more prototypes in the same time window, or work through different iterations of the same idea.
That's hugely beneficial.
I think if you treat inefficient things this way (I consider Ruby/Python in the same way) then we all benefit, test your ideas then go for gold on a more efficient platform.
Re: Sunsetting Atom
#187I know a lot of people love vscode but are there any people who have tried something like IDEA/WebStorm/PHPStorm/etc that then went back to vscode? I had to help a developer setup deploys to a dev server from vscode the other day and I wanted to pull my hair out. I'll admit it's at least in part due to not using vscode myself but I was a heavy Sublime Text user which is very similar to vscode when it comes to how you…
I cannot stand the "dancing" sidebar in VS Code. It's used for showing the directory tree, search results, plugins, etc. I like Jetbrain IDEs (at least on my machine they load and feel fast).
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#188I really liked Atom for non-code editing as it is usually much faster than VS Code, so this is quite unfortunate news
If you are working in markdown, there are a good bundle of other options too.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use IDEA and VS Code and Notepad++ and ... I'm kind of surprised you did a deploy from VS Code. I would have assumed there was another tool for that. I do most of my git and ssh/scp stuff from the command line because I'm never quite sure what the tool will try to do to "help me out"
For myself it's all about reducing the delay between "writing code" and "seeing the results". Dropping down to scp or run a script to deploy files seems like an unnecessary delay/break in my development process that I don't like adding in. If you can develop 100% locally this isn't an issue but we can't (or haven't taken the time to do so). Think of the dev server as just a VM running locally and it might make more s…
Why not pop out an integrated terminal and execute commands there? It's still within the editor and you could have a shell script that runs to deploy.
Re: Sunsetting Atom
#190It's what kickstarted Electron which eventually gave us VSCode, Slack, and lots of HN comments about memory usage. It also had the sweetest default theme of any code editor. RIP.
Electron is both an amazing enabling technology, and also an artifact of the sad state of affairs for computing platforms. One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established which would allow you to easily deploy lean native applications across a wide variety of platforms. Instead we ended up in this bizzare world where if you want to maintain a desktop GUI app, you either need a large team to sup…
> One could imagine a world where strong standards have been established w
And yet this didn't happen and Electron did. The "free market" of FOSS development settled on Electron as the winner for cross-platform development.