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Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by Beltalowda »

kyleplum wrote: post #87
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

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Please talk to anyone outside of the start-up/tech world and ask them about the technology they use. A majority don't give a toss about M1 or M2 or ARM vs. x86 or anything else that seems to get so many in the tech world so excited. They care about Excel, they care about backwards compatibility, they care about centralized management. Apple _may_ take over the consumer space but this will be more due to the shift fro…

Consumers do care about things like battery life. I imagine most consumers would prefer to stick with what they know (windows), but as the battery life/performance gap grows, people will be more likely to make the switch.

> Consumers do care about things like battery life.

For laptops, less than you'd think. A huge chunk of people buy laptops so they can work on the dinner table and then put their computer away easily when it's time for the family dinner.

Source: I spent about five years selling laptops to people. That was a while ago, but I don't think much changed here. If anything, things changed the other way (battery life is even less important for laptops than it was) since a lot of people also have a smartphone or tablet.

And as battery lives get longer, there are diminishing returns as well. The difference between 1 hour and 4 hours is huge. The difference between 4 and 8 hours pretty large. After that? Less so.

In my experience noise and heat (or rather, lack thereof) are more important, although also not hugely so for a lot of people, just more so than battery life.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by jcranmer »

paulmd wrote: post #138
Shadonototra wrote: post #54

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x86 is dead, full of security issues and is energy-intensive smartphones, even embedded devices, including cars nowadays are all on ARM, servers are building momentum too, not because it is shiny, but because of tangible gains on many aspects > Apple is willing to force its partners and customers to make the switch or get left behind. That's not true at all, the chip doesn't matter when you sell software, hardware an…

> x86 is dead, full of security issues to be clear though: spectre/meltdown are not an x86 issue. POWER, SPARC, and indeed even ARM (although only some of their products have OoO/speculation) were affected as well. There is no magic to ARM that magically makes it secure if you don't protect against side-effecting. I generally agree with the rest of your points, Microsoft is stuck in legacy hell with x86 and they are…

> to be clear though: spectre/meltdown are not an x86 issue. POWER, SPARC, and indeed even ARM (although only some of their products have OoO/speculation) were affected as well. There is no magic to ARM that magically makes it secure if you don't protect against side-effecting.

IIRC, M1 was even vulnerable to some of the otherwise Intel-only Meltdown (cross-privilege boundaries) exploits, let alone the more-or-less ubiquitous Spectre (only within same-privilege boundaries) exploits.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by conductr »

ccouzens wrote: post #171
conductr wrote: post #147

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Does the 13" MBP support multiple displays? Sorry- I'm horrible at reading Apple Specs and inferring the capabilities

just the one external screen (two screens total including internal). https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ People have gotten round it by connecting additional screens using display link adapters.

Awesome thanks for the assist! That page makes it clear, I guess I'm actually just horrible at sifting through the marketing to find the spec page :)

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by ryanmcbride »

msh wrote: post #85
dougmwne wrote: post #72

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Wait, you can't extend the display to a second screen?

Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.

Wait really? I was using 2 external displays alongside the built in desplay on my m1 just a few days ago. Or is it a limitation only with m1 mb airs?

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by msbarnett »

smoldesu wrote: post #167
paulmd wrote: post #50

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> 5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. AMD will have process node parity with Apple this year - Zen4 will be on N5P, as will M2. I doubt that alone will be sufficient for x86 to catch up, they have a LOT of ground to make up. (this is, of course, the "small" laptop chip for Apple, the M2 Pro/Max will add more CPU cores and a much…

> When AMD is on 5nm this year, we can re-assess and see whether that was the driving factor, or whether there are design reasons as well. Quick note: AMD's 5nm offerings will not be using a big.LITTLE configuration, so direct comparison with the M1 would probably not be very accurate for the purposes of comparing power consumption.

> Quick note: AMD's 5nm offerings will not be using a big.LITTLE configuration, so direct comparison with the M1 would probably not be very accurate for the purposes of comparing power consumption.

Ok, but the second we start saying Intel or AMD needs to make architectural changes to match M1 performance/power consumption, that in and of itself is a refutation of the GP's argument that the only reason M1 looks good is the manufacturing node. We're admitting that there's an architectural component to its results.

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Post by mmmmmbop »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #161
icyfox wrote: post #140

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I can't figure this one out either. The Air now has the same screen as the MBP 13", same processor, slimmer form factor. The air is also $100 cheaper than the MBP so that's not a justification. The only thing that is different on the specs page is the GPU count 10-cores versus 8. Why keep the 13?

I'm guessing they can get slightly better sustained performance out of the 13" Pro than the Air because it has a fan? But still doesn't really seem to explain it. Unless they want to bring the Touchbar back to the other pros.. which hopefully isn't the case.

I feel like it's a business-driven decision to sell the 13" Pro. They can get rid of their Touchbar inventory, and I assume the margins on that one are ridiculously high, since it's a design that's been unchanged since 2016. Kind of like the iPhone SE that is repurposing the 2017 iPhone 8.

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Post by bogwog »

colinmhayes wrote: post #173
samstave wrote: post #165

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Apple's whole thing is simplicity/"just works". Modular designs are pretty much the opposite of that. They've been proven right too. The vast majority of people don't want to slot in their own parts.

> They've been proven right too. The vast majority of people don't want to slot in their own parts.

How have they been “proven right”? Correlation is not causation. Just because they’re highly successful and they ship integrated components doesn’t mean the two are related.

Re: Apple Unveils M2

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Post by thebean11 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #115

I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not. And real function keys instead of a touchbar? They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line. I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touc…

Is the M2 faster than the M1 Pro/Max? They didn't do a direct comparison, but it's only 20% better than the original M1. I bet the pro/max still perform better.

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Post by Shorel »

onphonenow wrote: post #40
jklinger410 wrote: post #7

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Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.

No chance unfortunately. Windows 11 has pop up "notifications" that are basically ads all over. Unnecessarily hard to cleanup / customize in a biz setting. If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat. But Microsoft just is better here currently on a lot of fronts - the last time I chased my tail here it didn't pay off. If Apple wants to compete for the business market I think t…

Provide a service similar to Active Directory? Absolutely, that's what is needed from Apple, Red Hat, Canonical, etc.

Depend in any way on a Google Account for anything critical? That's something I oppose with all my will.

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