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Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by nopcode »

I really like the idea of Orion (I refer to it as a "superuser safari") and would gladly have paid for it if it had been necessary. Not a fan of subscriptions though, I was hoping for something more akin to what most MacOS-software does.

I wish the two services were integrated though. To me it feels strange I'd have to pay monthly for both Kagi and Orion and still need Apple's iCloud to sync my settings across devices.

Also, I wish they wouldn't state things like "the fastest browser on the Mac". Having used both Kagi/Safari side by side for a few months, Safari definitely feels faster in regular usage (I don't care about benchmarks).

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by freediver »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #163
5evOX5hTZ9mYa9E wrote: post #160

I've been using Kagi for about three weeks and the experience has been excellent. I think I reverted to Google maybe twice, and for many searches Kagi has been simply better. Despite all of this, 10 bucks a month is a tough sell to me. I understand the cost structure, and I am not saying that this product is not something worth paying for, because it is. It feels like the golden age of Google, and that's what I've be…

Kagi will likely remain a niche product for those who really care about search quality since it will never be able to catch up to google in convenience or integration, etc. That almost by definition limits maximum addressable market to a small fraction of the population. So it makes sense to price it at a premium, or on a per search basis. Some power users could in fact be money losers for Kagi even at $10 USD/month…

As long as it becomes niche like YouTube Premium is niche, we will be fine with that ;)

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by ac29 »

m3at wrote: post #138
kreeben wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not understand how people get through their day without doing at least 2-3 searches an hour. If you're online, working or pretending to work, consuming all that "internetz info", how can you do that without also bombarding Google with Q's about translations between languages, conversion between metric/imperial, basic fact-checking, wikipedia-ing, looking up definitions of words, and such? Even while listening to…

I'm in the same boat and will pay for Kagi, though I have a different interaction with a search engine and thought you might like the counterpoint. Notably, I don't use Google for most of what you described: Translation: I use DeepL instead (google is doing poorly on Asian languages) Conversion: not having much need for imperial but I use this for all unit conversion (though usually directly in my terminal): https://…

Another good one for unit conversion:

https://www.gnu.org/software/units/units.html

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by mrpf1ster »

BoneZone wrote: post #178

Love what I see from Kagi search so far. Tried out Orion, but unfortunately the Bitwarden Password manager extension is pretty much unusable for both the chrome and firefox extensions. It locks the vault after every page load and the biometrics requests in MacOS take considerable longer than with chrome/firefox. It won't be my daily driver, but I will check back when extension support is more mature.

I haven't been having any issues with Bitwarden support. Works just as it did on Firefox.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by nojito »

lumost wrote: post #104
nojito wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can but a paid search engine is doomed to fail.

5 years ago I would agree, however we now have. - Technology which can extract frightening amounts of information from search history, location data, and other data sources. It's not 2012 anymore when a google or FB ui just showing the places you had been was enough to get me to give over that kind of data. - Ad based search engines literally filling the search page with ads. - SEO spam so severe that the non-ads are…

This is borderline paranoia.

If you want a more "private" experience, just use an Apple device and search through safari and enable parental controls. Or if you're an Android user, just don't create a google account.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by tomtheelder »

ziml77 wrote: post #58

Been using Kagi for a few months now and, unlike when I used DDG, it's rare that I feel the need to fall back to Google. I guess now is where we see if Kagi's model can actually work. Will people pay money for a search engine when all other major players in the space don't transact with users in cash? I definitely hope for their success!

I've dropped back to Google simply for comparison purposes a few times, and the Kagi results are better virtually every time. The only exception is when you get one of those very convenient quick result thingys that google has for like sports results and stuff.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by bigwavedave »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #68
freediver wrote: post #4

Founder here, it was quite a journey very excited to be launching beta today with payments. The idea of paying for web search was unimaginable three years ago when we started this. AMA!

Any plans to revisit the pricing? I've in the Kagi beta for months and it's way better than DDG, but it's hard to justify US$120/year when Google is free.

> Any plans to revisit the pricing? I've in the Kagi beta for months and it's way better than DDG, but it's hard to justify US$120/year when Google is free.

Everyone has different needs, but I've seen this "I hate google but not enough to spare $10 a month out of my budget" sentiment quite a lot in these comments and it really surprises me.

Folks, there are almost non-stop complaints on HN about "big tech is evil" this and "Mozilla is mismanaged" that. There are endless tirades about "big tech monopolies" and how there is an insurmountable dearth of competition in the browser space. The sheer number of comments I've read where people attack Apple because anything that isn't Safari is more or less a second class citizen on their platforms, where people cry out for more options, for even a single ever-loving service that isn't driven by ad revenue, and about how freeloaders who expect unlimited free tiers are the bane of humanity is bonkers.

I mean, HN has tens of thousands of comments bemoaning these things.

Any of you who're reading this and haven't tried it out yet, give the beta a shot and then ask yourselves: is watching and experiencing the continual decline of free services from huge companies (companies that may as well be monopolies and duopolies) worth saving $170 a year (kagi and Orion+)? Or would you rather support a worthy cause with some real potential?

One of the most oft-repeated sayings I see here is "vote with your wallet" and now's the time to do it.

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by nyc640 »

mdaniel wrote: post #48
nyc640 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately 1Password doesn't work. Not because of extension compatibility but seemingly because 1Password has an internal whitelist of trusted browsers that Orion is not included in. It's really unfortunate as there's been a community forum post about it for months[1], but it's never been addressed. Dark Reader has worked perfectly fine for me though. [1] https://1password.community/discussion/124112/support-for-o…

At least with 1P8 (and I can only speak to the Linux version), they have an opt-in file located in /etc/1password/custom_allowed_browsers ( https://1password.community/discussion/comment/641837/#Comme... ) although one will want to exercise caution about the ownership of the actual binary, as one can see in that thread I haven't needed to try that on macOS but it may be worth a shot, given the shared Electron codebas…

I just gave it a shot and it doesn't seem to work. Thanks for the tip though!

Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta

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Post by mdaniel »

nyc640 wrote: post #189
mdaniel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with 1P8 (and I can only speak to the Linux version), they have an opt-in file located in /etc/1password/custom_allowed_browsers ( https://1password.community/discussion/comment/641837/#Comme... ) although one will want to exercise caution about the ownership of the actual binary, as one can see in that thread I haven't needed to try that on macOS but it may be worth a shot, given the shared Electron codebas…

I just gave it a shot and it doesn't seem to work. Thanks for the tip though!

Then be sure to check that 1Password_rCURRENT.log mentioned in the thread, as it may provide at least more debugging info about why they're angry; that's how I found out how to fix my Firefox install (albeit not on macOS)

    $ mdfind 1Password_rCURRENT.log
    /Users/mdaniel/Library/Group Containers/2BUA8C4S2C.com.1password/Library/Application Support/1Password/Data/logs/BrowserSupport/1Password_rCURRENT.log
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