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John McCarthy Has Died

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Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#181
post #88

Unfortunately it's true. I just heard back from Peter Norvig, who says "He died peacefully in his sleep last night."

Sad to hear about this. I love LISP and discovered the beauty of it when I was part of Gensysm product team - large scale real time system with AI and NN.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#182

In response to the skepticism being expressed, I've just had a message from Wendy Grossman saying: "... his daughter phoned me. I'm the ultimate source for the wikipedia entry."

Looks like someone has been doing "original research" on Wikipedia again.

I'm not sure what you're sayimg or implyimg here, but it feels like an insult directed either at me or at Wendy, I'm not sure which. So let me state this a little more clearly.

  I, Colin D Wright, hereby state that my colleague,
  Wendy M Grossman, personally sent me a message stating
  explicitly that she had been phoned personally by the
  daughter of John McCarthy and told of his death.
Now, in what way does that involve wikipedia, and who are you accusing of using WP for "original research"?

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#184
post #92

What a pity. I sense a black bar coming. The last few weeks have been terrible, one icon after another has fallen. What is different from other fields is that computing is still a young enough field that almost all of its luminaries except for the earliest ones are still alive. I fear the avalanche has only barely begun, and at some point the frequency of these will become high enough that either we will stop to noti…

What you're seeing is actually the death of the second generation of great comp sci minds, IMO. The first modern generation included von Neumann (b. 1903), Hopper (b. 1906), Turing (b. 1912), and others. McCarthy (1927), Knuth (1932), Hoare (1934) etc. are of the next generation. Obviously, you can cut generations on any arbitraty line and YMMV, but the 15-20 year gap seems a reasonable grouping, IMO.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#185

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It's how any species gets to iterate. The old have to die off to make room for the young.

Right, but if there is actually any selection for aging and death in organisms (maybe there is, I'm not sure), it's not useful anymore. There's a lot of evidence that there's no longer genetic selection acting on the human population, and it's therefore no longer true that our children should be genetically superior.

Maybe not genetically superior, but certainly culturally stronger. Old people have old ways of thinking.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like someone has been doing "original research" on Wikipedia again.

I'm not sure what you're sayimg or implyimg here, but it feels like an insult directed either at me or at Wendy, I'm not sure which. So let me state this a little more clearly. I, Colin D Wright, hereby state that my colleague, Wendy M Grossman, personally sent me a message stating explicitly that she had been phoned personally by the daughter of John McCarthy and told of his death. Now, in what way does that involve…

I suspect hristov was snarkily pointing out that Wikipedia does not actually allow first-hand knowledge as a source.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#187
"Program designers have a tendency to think of the users as idiots who need to be controlled. They should rather think of their program as a servant, whose master, the user, should be able to control it. If designers and programmers think about the apparent mental qualities that their programs will have, they'll create programs that are easier and pleasanter — more humane — to deal with."

Thank you John, RIP

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like someone has been doing "original research" on Wikipedia again.

I'm not sure what you're sayimg or implyimg here, but it feels like an insult directed either at me or at Wendy, I'm not sure which. So let me state this a little more clearly. I, Colin D Wright, hereby state that my colleague, Wendy M Grossman, personally sent me a message stating explicitly that she had been phoned personally by the daughter of John McCarthy and told of his death. Now, in what way does that involve…

I did not in any way wish to insult you or Wendy. I was just making a sarcastic comment about the fact that Wikipedia discourages one from entering information on the site even if one had first hand direct knowledge of said information.

This is one of the more controversial and often debated Wikipedia rules.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#189
post #148

"If computers of the kind I have advocated become the computers of the future, then computing may someday be organized as a public utility just as the telephone system is a public utility... The computer utility could become the basis of a new and important industry." — John McCarthy (speaking at the MIT Centennial in 1961). It's been pointed out that McCarthy used the term "utility" rather than "cloud", but many of…

Just the cloud? It seems a prediction of the Internet.

Re: John McCarthy Has Died

#190
post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but if there is actually any selection for aging and death in organisms (maybe there is, I'm not sure), it's not useful anymore. There's a lot of evidence that there's no longer genetic selection acting on the human population, and it's therefore no longer true that our children should be genetically superior.

Maybe not genetically superior, but certainly culturally stronger. Old people have old ways of thinking.

And the way of thinking isn't constant. It changes over time. A 15 year old you, a 25 year old you and a 50 year old you are all different people. A 500 year old you will most probably be a different person.

There are people who resist change and disapprove of all viewpoints other their own, but I doubt it's an age thing. I see a lot of young people opposing gay marriages for instance.

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