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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by indymike »

macNchz wrote: post #170
julianlam wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

There are a lot of people using virtualized development environments, which can make it much simpler to run a production-like system locally. I’m pretty sure 16gb machines have been the baseline for developers everywhere I’ve worked for the past decade.

>There are a lot of people using virtualized development environments, which can make it much simpler to run a production-like system locally.

When running Linux, you do not incur the VM overhead for containers (Docker) that you do on Mac or Windows. This allows for isolated production like environments, without carving out multi GB chunks of RAM. Additionally, if you are targeting Linux for production, you often don't even need to containerize, unless you need to run three different versions of node/python/ruby or something else that is just library conflicts all over the place.

> I’m pretty sure 16gb machines have been the baseline for developers everywhere I’ve worked for the past decade.

My 2012 daily driver was a well spec'd HP, and it had 8GB of RAM. It did not support more - I tried and had to take the RAM back because the machine would only address 8GB. A look at Macbook specs in 2012: 4GB or 8GB models. I think the 16GB becoming the norm was a few years later.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by hippich »

It is cool to see this trend. Now, if you want truly nice Linux laptop - get a refurbished Dell 9710 with 64gb of RAM, Nvidia card and 2tb nvme storage with 4k display. Will end up sightly more, but I expect it to last for awhile.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by [deleted] »

oneplane wrote: post #158
yumraj wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put things into perspective, Apple charges $400 to upgrade from $16GB to $32GB. So I’ll say that expecting 32GB RAM in a $1K laptop is a little too unrealistic.

They use on-SoC RAM chips, essentially a cheaper HBM instead of just some random SO-DIMMS. I think a better comparison would be Dell or Lenovo who do the same thing HP does, and they too charge a lot for what are essentially OEM versions of Samsung and Hynix memory anyone can get.

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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by indymike »

zmmmmm wrote: post #175

16G is not much RAM for a developer laptop. Do they understand what developers do these days? ie: running entire prod infrastructure using kubernetes or docker-compose on their dev setup is increasingly common.

If you run docker under Linux, and I'd assume you would on this machine, you do not incur the VM cost, so you can run containers and pay little more than you would if you were just running everything without the isolation. Life usually works out. I'm posting this from my 16GB LG Gram Linux machine that is running six containers full of servers and databases while I'm posting and has 6.5GB of available memory.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by bscphil »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #138
jasoneckert wrote: post #44

I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…

Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. If HP also had that license - even a second or a third tier one - they’d have priced it $2989 and make everything not upgradable and announced “Pre-installed Linux for the first time ever in any…… HP laptop” and HN would be filled with comments like “I only have 3GB RAM in my HP laptop and it even lifts my pickup truck. Best ever $3K…

I think this comment is about 3 years out of date. Apple provides plausible value for money now, when it comes to laptops.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by indymike »

This is a great start, and I'm really happy to see HP offering a Linux offering. Spec wise, love seeing 1TB of storage. The 14" screen size is great, but I do hope they offer a QHD or 4k screen option.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by jorvi »

Glyptodon wrote: post #144
julianlam wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)

Every 16 GB machine I've used for work in the last three years (until current 32 GB one) I'd occasionally run out of memory. Culprit? Web browsers... On Mac, Linux, and Windows. (Though occasionally other stuff needed significant memory too.)

This only happens if you’re the type to keep 70 tabs (or whatever) open. I run 16GB and have never, ever had a browser cause me to start heavily paging.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by pooper »

suprjami wrote: post #131
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #116

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The keyboard is missing an Insert key. But they're advertising an "FHD" screen as though that's a selling feature? That's only 1920x1080 - my Sony Vaio Z laptop from 2010 has the same resolution. People doing any kind of user-facing frontend dev-work pretty-much need a screen capable of 2x/200%/192dpi (i.e. 4K) at least. ...that's a deal-killer for me, as is the lack of a true middle-button on the touchpad. I'll be s…

Insert is on F10. Maybe the Function keys are hidden behind Fn, pretty common on laptops and compact discrete keyboards these days. Keep in mind your X1 was at least twice the price of this thing (honestly I feel they are overpriced, Asus do literally the same thing for $1k less)

> Keep in mind your X1 was at least twice the price of this thing (honestly I feel they are overpriced, Asus do literally the same thing for $1k less)

You cannot look at Lenovo sticker price. My conspiracy theory is it exists for the same reason Azure sticker price does: to give procurement managers something to do. My understanding is almost nobody pays sticker on either.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by nvrspyx »

oneplane wrote: post #161
hardwaresofton wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. Imagine a world where perennially late to the market HP is chasing the trend of Linux on the laptop. We now live in that world. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31391880

The weird thing is that HP undermines their effort a bit by they doing the consumer bloatware thing where they 'load it up with stuff for you to do your job' according to their marketing material.

Are you referring to the laptop in this announcement? If so, I can't find anything suggesting that there's anything installed by default other than Pop_OS.
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