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Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Just add “Reddit” to the search string Reddit is what the internet used to be back when it was useful.

Reddit has very strong biases and its own bubbles as well. Don't expect to be exposed to a wide variety of viewpoints there, but what appeals to a very narrow demographic (18-30 year old low-income white progressive American males)

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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`site:` is great. As an aside, anyone knows if you can still find "who links to?". I used to do this to hear how people feel about my site/app. I would do something like `link:foo.bar.com` I don't remember if it was link: or linkto: but it seems it no longer is supported? :(

It was link:, and unfortunately Google removed support.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Well whether you add “site:.edu” or not, Google still does the thing where they just spit out a pile of extra “matches” that don’t contain your search phrase AT ALL . Just thrown into the list, as if they have any business being there (oh wait, they do have business: Google’s business). Frankly, if it’s not reliable as a tool, it has no real value and I can’t believe it has come to this. Imagine if every time you ran…

> Frankly, if it’s not reliable as a tool, it has no real value

This is exactly the ridiculous kind of hyperbole I come to HN for.

If you honestly can’t find any value in using Google despite its unreliability, you were probably expecting too much of it to begin with.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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It's not a Google problem, it's a web problem. Everything is based around SEO spam. If someone has a website, and they're producing content, their point is to monetize the browsing of the website itself, or promote their main product via the website. This incentivizes a certain kind of content, which is marketing content. These days I'm back to searching social networks like Reddit or Hacker News for (at least somewh…

You right, but Google at least can try to fix it. For example: allow users to hide sites from search results, allow users to downrank sites in search results, etc. etc.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Google is so unbearable because they are no longer interested in you finding the answer to your query; they're interested in selling your query and its context to the highest bidder. That conflict of interest manifests in what Google has become.

This is why I switched to Neeva, I want my search engine to make products for me that help me find the best results for what I am looking for. When an advertiser is the customer instead of the end user the entire product road map is just trying to take you back to that search results page as many times as possible.

Neeva also lets me index my personal documents and includes those in search results as well. They are an early startup but I am excited about what they can build when they are not beholden to advertisers.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just 1% of Google's market might be enough to sustain a non-bloated, VC-free company and make a good product. The Bloomberg Terminal is extremely expensive and yet companies pay for it because it makes their traders' jobs so much more efficient. I don't see why companies wouldn't do the same for a search engine that filters out all the bullshit so their employees don't have to waste their time wading through it.

You are right. And the actual number is lot smaller. We just need 0.001% of Google users to be sustainable with the current team size. (or about 50,000 users out of 4.3B Google users). And if you find 50k users, you will find 100k. First 5k is tricky! (Kagi founder here)

Hi!

I'm a Kagi private beta tester and love it. Will become a paying customer.

One question: I do remember a page that told me how much I searched and what that would mean once Kagi becomes a paid service. I can't find that info anymore. In light of the mail us Kagi users got today, does that mean that it's going to be a flat rate for starters?

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Google is so unbearable because they are no longer interested in you finding the answer to your query; they're interested in selling your query and its context to the highest bidder. That conflict of interest manifests in what Google has become.

That's the free market for you. Delivering ever less value in exchange for ever increased cost.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Hey, I just came from the company that hosts that dealer website!

The amount of money that dealerships pour into SEO and advertising is unreal. They also chase every single thing that Google says with complete abandon. (Remember AMP? ya, that was something we chased because dealers asked us to and then forgot about 12 months later.)

I realize this is about Google but I think there will always be a struggle until everyone can boycott playing the game and I just don't see that happening.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Google is so unbearable because they are no longer interested in you finding the answer to your query; they're interested in selling your query and its context to the highest bidder. That conflict of interest manifests in what Google has become.

I'm using Google less and less in favor of Youtube. It's not always convenient to get answers in video form, but I'm finding it's better for more involved answers. Also, google is just littered with Answers/Quora/StackOverflow/etc dodgy clones that make searching questions a nightmare.

While I overall agree, I ironically find the search engine on YouTube to be somewhat limiting when I'm looking for specific and/or fresh things...

For example, I wanted to watch a bunch of videos of Mark Zuckerberg speaking from before 2010 and the YouTube search engine only showed me a limited amount of things I had already watched— it even had unrelated suggestions below those results based on my viewing habits.

So I went to Google and searched for videos and interviews of Zuck and found a bunch which were not easily surfaced on YouTube itself.

Same thing with Ina Garten/Barefoot Contessa cooking videos.

Now that I've found some fresh videos, the homepage recommendation algorithm has gotten better at surfacing new content related to these topics.

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