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Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I remember the "dotcom crash" of 2000, after which all of the scuttlebutt was about how the internet was a fad and all the related investments were just a giant bubble. The rhetoric I'm hearing today about crypto is strangely reminiscent. How it will turn out, nobody knows, but humility is warranted if history is any guide.

No one was saying the internet was a fad. Home broadband was still growing.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I remember the "dotcom crash" of 2000, after which all of the scuttlebutt was about how the internet was a fad and all the related investments were just a giant bubble. The rhetoric I'm hearing today about crypto is strangely reminiscent. How it will turn out, nobody knows, but humility is warranted if history is any guide.

People weren't saying the "Internet is a fad" back then. They/we were saying that many of the businesses that were being heavily invested in were unsound because they lacked a real plan towards profitability. Many businesses had no chance of turning profit, but were VC funded like crazy. I worked at a company that was doing "group buy" purchases and the product themselves weren't really getting real group discounts,…

“The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law' becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s” -Some dude who writes for The New York Times...

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived through the dotcom bust, the financial crisis and now this. Long term it isn’t going to be any worse than they were. In 2-3 years we will be recovering. I feel bad for people who can’t wait out a market cycle, but that’s what this is, somewhat exacerbated by the Fed’s actions leading up to this point.

It took 15 years for Nasdaq to recover from the dot com bust. The S&P 500 was flat from 2000-2010.

I’m not sure what you’re implying. In terms of investing, you should not wait until it recovers, you want to invest near the bottom and on the way up.

The money you have in now should be held.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I’m particularly sad to see Cloudflare’s stock having plummeted. Out of all the tech companies that IPO’d in the past few years, Cloudflare is one that the most potential to excel long term. Developer sentiment towards Cloudflare is comparable to Apple fanboys of the previous decade, and their products are legitimately good, backed with tangible assets (datacenters). They also have consistent growth quarter over quar…

It's quite entertaining that when electronics and clothes go on sale people go buy buy buy, but when stocks go on sale people sell like crazy. People are weird.

Electronics and clothes still work when the company is bankrupt.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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As a russian I like coinbase. It promotes crypto, which makes my world warmer.

I was about to make a joke about nuclear teapots powering cryptominers with their excess heat, but then realised this might be a legit idea: nuclear waste, that nobody knows what to do with, could be used to power asics mining bitcoins.

I think the idea is more that the waste heat pouring off the CPUs (crypto processing units ;-) ) could be used to help heat up a living space

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Cloudflare is down 71% in that same period. Zoom is down 60%. Speculative pandemic tech darlings are no longer darlings and are being hammered across the board. It's going to be a rough time for anyone who had high hopes for their equity compensation.

Like half of NASDAQ has lost ~50%, a quarter have lost ~75% and 5% have lost ~90% of their value from their highs. Coinbase is not an outlier, basically everything growth and risk on is getting dragged out behind the shed right now.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I'm a buyer at this point. We'll see how earnings turn out tomorrow, but no matter how bad the macro environment, I think $COIN at 7 P/E is a good buy long-term.

Same. I've also bought Affirm, Shopify, Netflix, Peloton and Roblox in addition to Coinbase since they've all dropped ~70-90% in the last 6 months. I agree they were overvalued, but we seem to be in overreaction territory now. Even if we haven't seen the bottom yet, I think we'll see a lot of upside in these over the next 2-5 years.

Personally, I'm all in on exactly the Vanguard funds I was all in on last month.

I did sell my crypto, which would've been a better story if I had more than $1000 of it.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took 15 years for Nasdaq to recover from the dot com bust. The S&P 500 was flat from 2000-2010.

I’m not sure what you’re implying. In terms of investing, you should not wait until it recovers, you want to invest near the bottom and on the way up. The money you have in now should be held.

I’m implying that it wasn’t “2-3 years” as the parent poster alluded to.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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I'm a buyer at this point. We'll see how earnings turn out tomorrow, but no matter how bad the macro environment, I think $COIN at 7 P/E is a good buy long-term.

That 7 P/E is not real. I took a quick look at yahoo finance and they showed a negative 740 Million tax provision in Q2 of last year and negative 135 Million in Q3 of last year. A negative tax provision means they actually showed profit from taxes. The US government is not in the habit of giving companies hundreds of millions of dollars (almost a billion) in negative taxes so this is likely something not reflective of real profits.

I will not check what it is because I have no intention in investing in coinbase, but from experience from other companies these sharp profits coming from taxes are usually reversals of valuation allowances for tax loss carryforwards. They are non-cash items that do not have much to do with the current operation of the business.

So if you really want to do P/E investing and are using real money, I highly recommend you learn some financial accounting and learn to remove these one time accounting charges/incomes that do not really have much to do with the company's operation.

Furthermore, as it comes to coinbase, I should point out that their source of revenues is highly uncertain, and dependent on uncertain trading of exotic assets. When people talk about P/E there is an unspoken assumption of some business continuity. I am not sure this is present with coinbase, but you may believe differently.

Re: Coinbase stock lost over 75% value

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Worth recalling there are >5 rate hikes priced in for the remainder of the year, and that the problem with CloudFlare isn't just the speculation, but for their legitimate business, the credit fuelling many of their customers, which are significantly concentrated in the tech sector. The coming tightening of hiring will also inevitably mean the tightening of infrastructure budgets. What built CloudFlare's excellent sal…

> The coming tightening of hiring will also inevitably mean the tightening of infrastructure budgets. What indicates a coming tightening of hiring soon?

Seems notable that just today Uber's CEO sent a letter to everyone that said, among other things, that hiring is tightening. Just one firm, but a big well-known one.
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