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24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by rue »

dredmorbius wrote: post #135
randallsquared wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know there is at least one country where you'll be safe from that. Well, until it gets so cheap that there's no way to know whose glasses or contacts are recording and compiling information about you as part of their lifelog. This sort of thing is like the tide coming in: legislation against it can only ultimately be effective by severe restrictions on allowed technologies for the people of the country.

Well, until it gets so cheap there's no way to know whose glasses or jacket contains a gun capable of shooting you dead on the street. This sort of thing is like the tide coming in: legislation against it can only ultimately be effective by severe restriction on allowed technologies for the people of the country. Substitute whatever anti-social mechanism you prefer. The drone wars are coming: pilotless aircraft, poss…

I certainly suspect that most people make a distinction between shooting someone, and videotaping someone. This leads me to believe that surreptitious surveillance would be a far more widespread problem than random shootings.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by rickmb »

dantheman wrote: post #116
beforebeta wrote: post #9

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The linked video (in german) explains this. Apparently Facebook has a registered HQ in Ireland (presumably - as someone mentioned in another thread - for tax purposes). Since it is a registered business in Ireland, it is subject to all Irish and many applicable European laws (one of which is data privacy). The 24-year-old Individual feels it's against his data privacy rights that Facebook retains deleted messages. Pe…

Watch all the tech companies leave Ireland due draconian European laws. I don't understand, why all law must be proactive. Let people try and experiment, let norms evolve. Why must we prelegislate things, wait until facebook or someone else starts doing horrible things before passing a law.

Companies and governments already did horrible things in the past few decades. That's why the laws are there. Basically the same reasons why the US has the right to bare arms.

You may want to read up on your history before you call European laws to protect the privacy, freedom and very lives of it's own citizens "draconian".

They are only draconian if you believe the rights of corporations trump those of the people. Which is basically what the US has been doing for quite a while now, not really an example other countries care to follow.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by dspillett »

count wrote: post #14

Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal? You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes i…

>You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Please, educate me, because I really don't get it.

This isn't right for two reasons:

1. Under EU law there are certain rights that you can not sign away in a contract. They are yours and you keep them no matter what any bit of paper or click-through license says. This might seem disingenuous, signing to say you'll give them something but not doing so, but the law is actually the other way around: they should not be asking you to sign that right away in the first place.

2. It would seem that facebook are not only tracking people who sign-up. See http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/18/1429223/facebook-is-b... (or search for "facebook shadow profiles"). This is most definitely against the data protection act in the UK, and they haven't even asked those people to sign away the right to not have that data stored unnecessarily.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

bitops wrote: post #120
Travisism wrote: post #62

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It is 100% completely voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to use Facebook. It is not even remotely close to the only communication service. I don't personally use Facebook and have no problem leading an active social and business life. Sure, a large portion of my friends use Facebook, but they also make phone calls, send text messages, email (through multiple different services), LinkedIn, Flickr, etc etc etc. So how do…

Perhaps true in the US but not so in Europe. My 16-year old cousin in Denmark (the worlds most FB connected country in the world, 3M users out of 5M population) told me that it's basically impossible to have a social life without being on Facebook (at her age). Facebook also caters very much to US culture. E.g. In middle school and high school you move between different classrooms so you make lots of different friend…

You realize that in no way does this make Facebook registration non-voluntary.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

0x12 wrote: post #107
gsmaverick wrote: post #92

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Don't visit sites that use the Like button, block the Facebook domain. It's not that difficult.

> Don't visit sites that use the Like button That's nice in theory, but of course you can't know which pages have the 'like' button on it until you hit them.

Sure. That's why he suggested blocking the Facebook domain. I have a Facebook account that I use regularly, so I block the Like buttons with Ghostery.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by afterburner »

randallsquared wrote: post #126
0x12 wrote: post #112

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And that was before large scale facerecognition software that could be employed to determine not only how many people are walking by the device but also who. Now doing this in real time with a large crowd is still not technically feasible but at some point we will probably cross that line. Good to know there is at least one country where you'll be safe from that.

Good to know there is at least one country where you'll be safe from that. Well, until it gets so cheap that there's no way to know whose glasses or contacts are recording and compiling information about you as part of their lifelog. This sort of thing is like the tide coming in: legislation against it can only ultimately be effective by severe restrictions on allowed technologies for the people of the country.

Sure, lots of easy things are illegal. But people and corporations have incentives to keep legal even when it would be very easy to commit the crime anyways. Enforcement has the job of catching people that are committing easy crimes, and discouraging them from doing so in the first place.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by afterburner »

randallsquared wrote: post #126
0x12 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that was before large scale facerecognition software that could be employed to determine not only how many people are walking by the device but also who. Now doing this in real time with a large crowd is still not technically feasible but at some point we will probably cross that line. Good to know there is at least one country where you'll be safe from that.

Good to know there is at least one country where you'll be safe from that. Well, until it gets so cheap that there's no way to know whose glasses or contacts are recording and compiling information about you as part of their lifelog. This sort of thing is like the tide coming in: legislation against it can only ultimately be effective by severe restrictions on allowed technologies for the people of the country.

Sure, lots of easy things are illegal. But people and corporations have incentives to keep legal even when it would be very easy to commit the crime anyways. Enforcement has the job of catching people that are committing easy crimes, and discouraging them from doing so in the first place.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by RexRollman »

chopsueyar wrote: post #27
count wrote: post #14

Maybe it's my unenlightened American perspective coming out here, but why is this a big deal? You chose to use the Facebook service, you chose to provide this information to them, and you chose to agree to their terms of service. Facebook isn't a government agency, it's a private organization that has persuaded people to give it armloads of data about themselves, and uses that for whatever completely legal purposes i…

facebook-is-building-shadow-profiles-of-non-users http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/10/18/1429223/facebook-is-b...

And that should be illegal. There's a reason I don't have a Facebook account.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by RexRollman »

VladRussian wrote: post #28

"So many people applied for their own CDs that Facebook had to send out an email indicating it was unable to comply with the requirement that it provide the information within a 40 day period." Has Facebook considered using benefits of modern technology and delivering the requested info electronically by, for example, setting up a web site where users could access/browse/download the requested info and may be even le…

Hack, look how difficult Facebook makes it to delete your account. When I deleted mine a while ago, I only found the link to do it after finally searching their online help (it wasn't in the account management section), and even then there was a waiting period before it actually deleted.

Of course, in light of reading about this, I sometimes wonder if Facebook really deleted the information contained in my old account.

Re: 24 year old student lights match: Europe versus Facebook

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Post by RexRollman »

jamesgeck0 wrote: post #185
0x12 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't visit sites that use the Like button That's nice in theory, but of course you can't know which pages have the 'like' button on it until you hit them.

Sure. That's why he suggested blocking the Facebook domain. I have a Facebook account that I use regularly, so I block the Like buttons with Ghostery.

Your advice is appreciated, but I my opinion, people shouldn't have to install software to avoid being tracked.
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