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Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

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This is directly related to the teacher-student ratio, regardless of whether it's online or not. One of Malcolm Gladwell's books made a convincing argument that reducing class size quickly runs into the issue of diminishing returns. A cursory Googling suggests there's plenty of research to back it up[0][1] The effectiveness of in-person learning may have more to do with social interaction and peer motivation. A teach…

In some of these online classes I've heard of >1000 students signing up with one professor and maybe two assistants. In that case, maybe a model would be to recruit the top students (selected early in the course based on their submitted) work) to act as tutors for say groups of 10 or so. Pitch them on the idea with "the best way to learn something is to explain it to someone else."

And what happens if they don’t want to do it?

Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

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In some of these online classes I've heard of >1000 students signing up with one professor and maybe two assistants. In that case, maybe a model would be to recruit the top students (selected early in the course based on their submitted) work) to act as tutors for say groups of 10 or so. Pitch them on the idea with "the best way to learn something is to explain it to someone else."

And what happens if they don’t want to do it?

Make their course completion contingent upon doing so? That’s a bit draconian of course, but you could also provide something positive to juice the deal instead. Incentives 101.

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

I'm sure online teaching is worse than in person teaching, at least the way most online teaching is done now. But who is the target audience here? I was homeschooled for many years and the parent doing my teaching was not very effective. I'm positive that this online teaching would be better than that was.

In fact, my homeschool friends who did remote video courses (as close as you could get to online at the time) were much better at many subjects than I was.

I don't think its online vs in person. It's online vs nothing or online vs shitty teaching.

Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

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And what happens if they don’t want to do it?

Make their course completion contingent upon doing so? That’s a bit draconian of course, but you could also provide something positive to juice the deal instead. Incentives 101.

So the education system is contingent on making students teach other students, or else? Lol

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> the inability to see friends At least that last factor is directly correlated with online learning. Also I know from experience that most students in online classes aren’t even actively listening. A good chunk of them end up on YouTube or Instagram.

My experience in a physical classroom in the pre-smartphone era is much the same: a good chunk of the students are spacing off throughout any given lecture. At that time it was passing notes, doodling, or just staring out the window rather than online distractions. It might be worth considering whether synchronously sitting in a lecture with 30 other kids isn't, in fact, a good model for learning in any environment,…

> in a physical classroom ... a good chunk of the students are spacing off throughout any given lecture

Think of a meeting of 30 people in your own office environment and wonder how many people are spacing out at any given moment.

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Damn I spent the whole pandemic reading books and doing my best to get ahead as such How did everyone else mess it up so bad? I'm just reading this and thinking back to my resolve to use this time as positively as possible, like study and doing my best with savings was the most obvious thing at the time to me Might be something to do with me living in the third world and adaptation culture being different

> How did everyone else mess it up so bad Kids. A different set of mental-health challenges. Being worried about losing their job. Being more dependent on their non-coliving family than you are. Being more worried about their family than you are. Having a job that they're not used to doing online. Having a job that's hard to do online. Having a job that couldn't be done online. Being deprived of life-long hobbies and…

So get into finance options where the effort->profit ratio is way more favorable as a hedge against all of what you mentioned or you and your entire family will suffer is what you're saying, in the most positive interpretation possible

Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

But how are actual outcomes? I'm less concerned with how someones grades look in high school and more interested in how they perform in College for example.

Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

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I don't entirely disagree, but I partially disagree. Personally I was desperate in March 2020 (as were my colleagues) for any tips about what would work online. I didn't want my classes to suck, nor did my colleagues. There was very little information available at the beginning about what worked. But what's worse (and what makes me disagree with your comment) is that even after a year of being online it still wasn't…

Could it be that since humans are social primates, online simply can never work as well as face-to-face. I work in sales and direct face-to-face sales ALWAYS has better close rates, happier customers, etc. than indirect sales through phone or internet.

There is Zoom and other stuff involving faces.

Re: Khan Academy launches Khan World School online high school

#190

Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

> If online works for you, awesome ... But I don’t think you are in the majority.

I think there's a huge under-served group who are specifically not the majority. Smart kids are generally held back by being shoehorned in with other kids.

Personally, I think we need to figure out how to use online resources best and that the future will most certainly be a mix. But also please entertain that maybe the optimal audience for this program isn't the majority at all, actually. And that doesn't make it less valuable.

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