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Never hose out a Honda Element

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Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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It can get difficult in a hurry if the rusted out spots are near where wiring is sandwiched between the various metal parts. I've done my share of repairs like these and if you only end up doing what you think you'll be doing when you start the job then consider yourself lucky.

I've done one myself. In my experience, the worst part is removing sound deadening and factory undercoat.

Yes that can be quite tricky. For sound deadening: the method I use: first try a couple of different ways on a small test patch, then do the whole thing. Methods to try: chisel, applying a bit of heat, cold spray and then hitting it with a hammer (surprisingly effective!), large diameter rotating steel brush (not very good for detail work due to the large diameter but it eats through that stuff in a hurry), pushing 'up' from below to deform the floorpan a bit to see if the stuff delaminates (sometimes you get lucky). Pick the one that works best for the initial removal, then do the remainder with the next slower method until it's done. Tedious.

Factory undercoat: rotating steel brushes are the only effective way afaik and it takes forever unless you have access to a large size sand blaster.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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This. I don't get the tendency to want an ultra-capable off-road vehicle and then kit it out like a luxury roadster with a bunch of "tech" that is going to break in the first water crossing. Worked on a farm one time where one of the work trucks was literally a Ford F350 King Ranch edition. Super powerful vehicle, but the wood trim and leather seats were no help when you had just been on your hands and knees in mud a…

Having worked in "extreme terrain" conditions for much of my adult life, and now work my own farm, I completely disagree. You don't want to be spending significant portions of your day in a "stripped bare" platform. Maybe thats ok for a couple of hours rock crawling twice a month (not that I would call that extreme terrain!), but not for any actual utility.

Why is this, what features give you value ?

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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That's not that simple, actually. Drain holes by themselves are going to allow moisture in to the car as well, and being holes the edges will need to be protected, usually drain holes will have some rubber insert for that. But then they are no longer flush, so some water will pool. I've welded plenty of car bottoms where moisture had done a very thorough job of rusting things out, drain holes are typically a fantasti…

Everything on a Boeing airliner has drain holes in it, usually at least 3/8" in diameter. Boeing really does not want accumulations of water in its airplanes, as it causes corrosion and can form ice and it's heavy . The drain holes in car doors are usually too small - they'll get stopped up with bits of grit and leaves. I drill them out larger for Seattle weather.

Aircraft are not typically made of steel. Do make sure that you coat the edges of your drain holes after you drill them out with some sealant (epoxy coating for instance) so that you don't give rust a fantastic place to start and make sure you get all of the shavings from the inside of the door.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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That's not that simple, actually. Drain holes by themselves are going to allow moisture in to the car as well, and being holes the edges will need to be protected, usually drain holes will have some rubber insert for that. But then they are no longer flush, so some water will pool. I've welded plenty of car bottoms where moisture had done a very thorough job of rusting things out, drain holes are typically a fantasti…

aren't there drain/weep holes in most/all door assemblies with roll down windows? seems like it could be a solved problem for auto makers

Yes, but doors have a very nicely defined lower point without a whole lot of variation in the profile of the bottom bit. Even so, they rust out frequently, as the sibling comment to yours mentions, in part because they tend to be too small and get clogged, in part because the moisture running down the inside of the door can still sit on the level parts for a surprisingly long time, and soak into the sound proofing and between the sound proofing and the various metal door panels. Depending on how porous the paint is and how good the adhesive is it could get problematic (there was a time when car manufacturers switched to water based paints and cars from that early period after the switch tend to rust like mad because the paint was more porous).

Finally, keep the door rubbers at the top maintained well, the best way to deal with water is not to get it in there in the first place (but moisture from condensation is impossible to avoid).

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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You won’t find it until your foot goes through something or something falls off. I had a 1990 defender 90 which was 8 years old and the bulkhead was invisibly rotten in various places. That got very expensive very quickly. A friend has a more modern 110 that’s only 6 years old and has the same problem. This is not an issue in some areas and dry climates as a rule but in the UK it sucks owning one. I don’t own one now…

Are you Remi Gaillard?

I disclaim all responsibility for chucking bananas out of my French go cart

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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I've been hosing out my Defenders and wading them above the door seals for years and there's no significant rust yet. They have rubber floor mats instead of upholstery. But they are maintained professionally.

Aren't most parts of land rover bodies aluminum? https://www.thrillist.com/cars/9-things-you-didn-t-know-abou...

Yeah. They chassis and bulkhead is made of steel though. This tends to rust very quickly when bonded to aluminium parts.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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I'm tentatively morbidity curious what happened to the VW bug, Fits and other cars this friend came in contact with.

There are so many stories... I will start before the Bug: Daewoo Nubira: Drove it until the brakes fell off. Among other oopsies. VW Bug: Among about $5k in damage from various bad decisions, eventually somehow got T-Boned on his way to traffic safety school. (Too many speeding tickets) He literally rolled up to traffic safety school in a wrecked car. Fit: I have asked a few times about the Honda fits. First time wen…

Maybe at some point you should suggest to your friend that they start taking driving more seriously before they kill someone.

I'd be stunned if they haven't injured someone yet.

I just don't get how "bad driver" is a haw-haw thing instead of a "what the hell wrong with you" thing.

Re: Never hose out a Honda Element

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I don't get it - would you would think you can hose out a consumer car like this, with the fabric seats and all that plastic trim? I've hosed out Land Rovers, but they're clearly an off-road vehicle designed for wading.

The author references the "hose" comment in the 1998 unveiling of the concept car that would become the Element, but I think they greatly underplay the degree to which this idea caught on with the public and in the press, especially in non-automotive publications. I'm pretty sure it was an issue of Wired in the early 2000s where I read about this futuristic new SUV from Honda with, among other clever details, "a floo…

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