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I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by copperx »

vonseel wrote: post #172
copperx wrote: post #166

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I have a Dell 24" 4k, which I got about two years ago, and back then, only Dell and Asus had a 24" option. I have no idea why manufacturers are so insistent on selling 27" 4k monitors; 2x scaling looks too big, and non-integer scaling looks blurry because the resolution is too low for 27". My theory is that most people, for all practical purposes, are blind.

It seems the only option available is the Lg $700 monitor. So at 24” 4K does everything looks nice and smooth without scaling like a built in Retina display?

Absolutely. That was my intention when I purchased the monitor, and it definitely delivered. I bought mine for $279. However, I had to return two of them because of a pronounced moire-like pattern created by the anti-reflective coating. The third one, the one I kept, still has a slightly visible pattern.

I spend most of my day watching a screen, and I want it to be perfect. Because of this, I would be tempted to buy the new Apple display. However, buying an iMac makes much more economic sense. I have no idea why display manufacturers can't get the details right.

Windows and Gnome look gorgeous at 2x rendering. macOS does too, but that's expected.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by jen729w »

tehnub wrote: post #103
sp332 wrote: post #70

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Doesn't that mean you have your head slouched forward most of the time? I think that's just painful.

It means your head/neck is straight, but your eyes glance slightly downwards. I believe I read in some ergonomics article that the natural, most comfortable gaze position of the eye is not straight ahead, but slightly down.

My optician told me this last year. Less strain on the eyes.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by Tepix »

ysleepy wrote: post #84
Tepix wrote: post #26

I bought a very slightly used Iiyama 5K monitor (XB2779QQS-S1 with Displayport 1.4) for 450€. While it does have some stuck pixels, they are so tiny that you only notice them when you are looking for them. 1800€ is insane. I also use a 27" 4K monitor. The difference between the two isn't that great. 5K is mostly useful for 4K video editing. PS: It sounds as if the author would have had a great experience with a 350€…

Does that one work with one DP 1.4 port or do you need two to drive it at 60Hz?

It's one of only two 5k DP 1.4 monitors on the market and i just need a single cable to run it at 5K (5120x2880) at 60Hz.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by Tepix »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #37
Tepix wrote: post #26

I bought a very slightly used Iiyama 5K monitor (XB2779QQS-S1 with Displayport 1.4) for 450€. While it does have some stuck pixels, they are so tiny that you only notice them when you are looking for them. 1800€ is insane. I also use a 27" 4K monitor. The difference between the two isn't that great. 5K is mostly useful for 4K video editing. PS: It sounds as if the author would have had a great experience with a 350€…

Considering the number of people out there making enormous salaries doing jobs on computers, spending 10+ hours a day looking at their screen, 1800€ does not sound insane at all. Same thing applies to any tool of any trade. I work with surgeons, and you would be amazed how unfathomably expensive all their instruments are. (Though to be fair I do all my work on a pair of 100€ monitors.)

I agree that spending a lot of money on something you use a lot makes sense. Heck, i'm waiting for my Keyboardio model 100 to ship.

My point was that Apple's monitor is not 4x better than this monitor, so the relative price seems very high and not justified, even by Apple's standards.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by brailsafe »

yakkityyak wrote: post #2

I prefer running two 144hz 27” 4k monitors instead. Yeah the 5k to 4k scaling isn’t as crisp as native 2x, but god the high refresh rate really makes up for it.

I'm surprised about this. I ran a high refresh rate monitor for a while, but I didn't really notice or care in day to day usage compared to picture quality. It was a big meh from me. Nice to have, but wouldn't trade even minor picture quality improvements. I have a 30" 2560x1600 display atm, and definitely wouldn't trade either the quality or the real estate for refresh rate. I'd also take auto KVM over refresh rate, or usb-c single cable docking over refresh rate, but it would still be nice to have

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by franga2000 »

goosedragons wrote: post #136
Joeri wrote: post #127

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I’ve never really understood how so many people could come to the conclusion that the 5K iMac was too low. An ideal ergonomic screen height is the top of the screen 5 to 10 cm above eye level, and I’ve always wondered what kind of desk setups people have where it ends up way below that to the point that it needs raising. If anything the 5K iMac was a few cm too tall, and it is a good thing the studio display is lower…

Because it depends on torso height too and that varies from person to person? What's a few cm too tall for you could easily be 5 cm too short for me. This combined with different chairs and different table heights results in different eye level points. I don't understand why Apple is just so cheap here. On a $200 monitor you can maybe make the case it shouldn't be height adjustable to save a few bucks, on a $1600 one…

The 200$ monitors at my work have height adjustment and can even rotate 180°. My only possible conclusion is that someone at apple is a huge asshole.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by sgerenser »

sgerenser wrote: post #145
Joeri wrote: post #127

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I’ve never really understood how so many people could come to the conclusion that the 5K iMac was too low. An ideal ergonomic screen height is the top of the screen 5 to 10 cm above eye level, and I’ve always wondered what kind of desk setups people have where it ends up way below that to the point that it needs raising. If anything the 5K iMac was a few cm too tall, and it is a good thing the studio display is lower…

Interesting, you and the poster you are replying to are the only people I’ve ever heard saying the 27” iMac is too high. Perhaps the difference is where your keyboard and mouse are located? If they are under the desktop on a keyboard tray, then your desktop height is effectively a few inches higher than it otherwise would be, and so is the iMac. But if the iMac is sitting on the same surface as the mouse and keyboard…

Replying to myself: also possible your desktop is way too high relative to how your arms/hands naturally rest, which is terrible for ergonomics.

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by awiesenhofer »

veidr wrote: post #178

> As soon as I started using the Studio Monitor it felt like I had put glasses on. Every other screen looks blurry now. This is literally how I felt about moving from these 27" 5K screens (I had Apple's iMac Pro and also a couple LG UltraFine external monitors), when I moved to a 31.5" 8K screen (Dell UP3218K). The difference is every bit as dramatic as going 4K → 5K. I had literally just gotten my first prescription…

I still dream about getting one of those - do you use it at 2x scaling? And how do you drive that thing?

Re: I didn't return my Apple Studio Display

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Post by jmull »

coder543 wrote: post #159
jmull wrote: post #158

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Sure, but it should be perfectly possible to improve it to the level of the front-facing camera on the iPad Pro, which has an "ultra-wide" camera for "center stage" as well.

Yes, but the quality of the iPad Pro front camera is exactly what the Reddit post I linked to was complaining about... and I saw a lot of other similarly negative discussions online when I was googling it. At best, the Studio Display’s camera can reach that level of quality. I personally have one of the new iPad minis with Center Stage, and I don't consider the front camera quality to be anything better than "accepta…

Acceptable isn't bad, so I guess we're actually pretty much agreeing.
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