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Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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Ethics aside, this is bad analysis. Gas prices putting financial stress on Applebee's employees will also put financial stress on Applebee's customers, who may cut spending on things like going to Applebee's.

I agree they may need to cut their prices. How would this email have been received if it had said: We are facing headwinds and may need to cut prices To stay viable this means we need to cut costs One way to do this is offer lower starting wages. Though this wasn't viable in the recent past, it may be possible now. That's because our pool of workers are feeling pinched and may need to pick up extra jobs I understand…

The core line of logic "We can pay our workers less, because our workers are more desperate" never gets any better. It's one thing to say they're going to pay less because the business isn't viable at these levels of pay, but extending that to "so we're going to focus on who we can exploit" is where it crosses the line. Becuase if the reason you're cutting wages is that you can't afford them... well, let's start with that big fat juicy CEO bonus.

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

A universal basic income would have some advantages over a minimum wage. Minimum wage interferes with supply and demand in the labor market, which is why some economists dislike it. UBI moves the supply curve to a different place, but it allows those principles to function.

UBI could allow the elimination of minimum wage entirely, along with a ton of other scattered welfare programs that have lots of administrative overhead and the typical middleman industries that leech off of government programs.

It’s a no-brainer!

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There'll be a bunch of cheap singular apartments spread all over the US - let's for convenience's sake assume they're about a one hour drive apart from each other but that's a totally random number of course. You can rent them for very cheap but just as you're about to move in they suddenly become unavailable for whatever reason? Probably the owner lost their keys or something and then lawyers can argue for years if…

> You can rent them for very cheap but just as you're about to move in they suddenly become unavailable for whatever reason? I mean, presumably in this hypothetical situation we wouldn't want to simultaneously dissolve basic renter's rights.

You obviously don't live in Indiana....to think there are basic renter's rights. That would be a huge win.

I'm only slightly kidding. The Indiana legislature was "too busy" to consider a renter's rights bill this year. They were busy trying to "solve the problem" of transgender kids playing on sports teams in schools. That's obviously way more important than lower income people having affordable, safe places to live.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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I wonder what the USA would look like if minimum wage was defined as; two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. The static (both in the nominal and inflation adjusted sense) for minimum wage doesn't make sense imo. Minimum wage should be tied to some level of living (not necessarily a great living, but something ) This guy smh

I know this won’t be popular but minimum wage shouldn’t exist. Basic income, sure but not minimum wage. Every discussion of minimum wage blames employers for something that is completely out of their control: inflation. When the price of gas, housing and food rises the business where you work doesn’t suddenly have more money to hand out. If anything their costs have gone up too reducing what they can afford to pay out.

It blows my mind that people continue to act like rising costs are the fault of their employers, who have no control of it at all.

No doubt, this exec in particular was a moron who deserves to be fired for even suggesting what he did but the overall sentiment just doesn’t jive for so many businesses that are getting squeezed harder and harder everyday.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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>two people being able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within a 1 hour drive without traffic. My immediate reaction to this statement was.. it's insane? In my opinion it should read 'a single person able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment within an hour of public transport commute.' Otherwise it sounds like you don't think anyone should be able to live anywhere reasonable without roommates?

>Otherwise it sounds like you don't think anyone should be able to live anywhere reasonable without roommates? I think your confusing "should be able to" with "shall be able to, enforceable by law". I don't expect that a 15 year old working his first job as a fry cook at an Arby's should be compensated enough that he can afford to live on his own. In fact, that could be dangerously disincentivizing his hard work towa…

Pay should scale with the value of work produced, not the perceived "worth" of the worker. You argue with a hypothetical teenager. But what about my racist and sexist hypothetical uncle who owns an Arby's?

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The whole point of minimum wage is to ensure that employer wages to employees to exceed some level of poverty. If there is still flexibility within the wage amount, then the floor needs to be raised higher so the employer can't play within this gray space.

This thinking seems to assume that employers are unable to choose how, when, and where they employ people. At some point it's cheaper to automate the job than hire someone to do it, or simply put money into higher ROI generators.

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I think there should be an exception for people who are financially dependent on someone else. If you're a teen living at home you should be able to work for whatever someone will pay.

why?

To distort the labour market and make it harder for adults to actually bargain with their employers for a reasonable wage - I'd assume.

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post #154

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The US Department of Defense already has a Cost of Living Allowance (COLA) calculated for most of the United States, large parts of Germany, and large parts of Korea. The work is already done.

That takes into account the specific set of apartments within a 1 hour drive of each individual work location in the US and automatically updates as apartment rents fluctuate?

If this was a real law, lawmakers would definitely need to flesh out the requirement beyond what an HN commenter presumably spitballed in a couple minutes or less, yes. As written, the requirement also doesn't account for factors like public transit.

But I do think the idea has merit.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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At least he was being honest. I think that many corporate executives have thoughts along these lines: they want employees to be so desperate that they'll accept low wages and bad working conditions. That is, of course, why they tend to campaign against e.g. minimum wages, food stamps, and reforms that would make it easier to unionize. The only difference is that other execs have the good sense not to put such thought…

Yeah, this guy clearly hasn't worked in a company big enough to know he has to translate this to corporate speak for all written communications.

Re: Applebee’s exec urges using high gas prices to push lower wages, sparks walkout

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post #149

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Mass confusion. Every location has to have a custom minimum wage based on the local real estate market? How are you going to enforce that? How about people figure out how much money they need to afford the lifestyle they want and then get a job that pays that much?

The US Department of Defense already has a Cost of Living Allowance (COLA) calculated for most of the United States, large parts of Germany, and large parts of Korea. The work is already done.

Even further, the US State Department has a COLA for any city it has an embassy or consulate in the world. But it's for a diplomatic lifestyle, not for minimum wage workers in the US.
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