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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

fay59 wrote: post #175
ygjb wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

The difference with other services is that what people want when they subscribe to Spotify is access to music. What (at least some) people want when they subscribe to MDN Plus is ensure that Firefox and other open Web projects stay relevant. If people paid for Spotify merely so that Spotify stayed relevant, they would probably care in similar measure how Spotify spends its money.

I don't see how claiming that Mozilla is insane helps this cause.

I'd assumed these were concern trolls just trying to attack people they've been trained to hate for no reason by propaganda.

If these commenters genuinely think they're helping the open web with these comments then that makes both my brain and heart hurt.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by ummonk »

paxys wrote: post #81
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

The person you replied to was specific as well. Execs are paid well industry wide. If you aren't willing to pay market rates then you aren't going to get competent leadership to manage organizations at that scale.

They didn't get competent leadership though...

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by nabaraz »

I don't need any of MDN plus's features. Just give me Firefox at $5/month without ads, pocket, sponsored news, telemtry, affiliate links and all the data collection.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by ummonk »

piaste wrote: post #94
gruturo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP was clearly specific: EXEC salaries, not engineers and developers. And I'm not sure I would want their current execs there even if they indeed worked for free, not to mention at their absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down. So yeah, find me a way to finance Firefox only, and not the funny projects, and to ensure that not a single cent goes to their execs (neithe…

Do you apply the same rigorous standards to all your purchases? Do you refuse to buy a drink or a pair of shoes or a travel ticket unless you can ensure that "not a single cent goes to execs" who get "absurdly high, grossly underserved salaries while they butcher the company all the way down"? Or do you think the Mozilla execs are _uniquely_ greedy to a degree not comparable to that of the execs of Nestlé, Nike, etc.…

> This is assuming that you actively want to purchase MDN Plus. If you don't care about the perks but would purchase it solely as a donation, then it's understandable if you give a higher scrutiny to charities than to sellers.

I would bet you that most people are in the latter group, not the former. I certainly almost never purchase such services from ordinary companies, as I don't see sufficient value in them.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by dylan604 »

ygjb wrote: post #153
reitanqild wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that I think but I am tempted to pay anyway. The big question is: Does the money go to Firefox or to funny projects and (what I consider) insane exec salaries?

I always wonder at the thought process behind these questions. Yes, Mozilla (.org) is a non-profit, and Mozilla (.com) is a regular corporation. Yes, Mozilla has commitments about transparency. Yes, exec salaries are insane. Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree? In the laundry list of entertainment, learning, and professional subscriptions, what portion of spot…

>Do folks who ask this question scrutinize every purchase or business they make to this degree?

If they did, the donations to some charity type orgs would probably drop to 0. Lots of unhappy people about the pink "awareness" org and others that spend as much money doing the events and paying for staff than doing anything else. Yes, we're "aware" of breast cancer.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by SECProto »

Vinnl wrote: post #158
dsr_ wrote: post #155

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It's idealism. We still hope, despite the evidence, that Mozilla can be unadulteratedly good, as long as we only look at the open source side of it. We already know that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and Oracle are evil.

It's not just the classic "evil" companies though. When you buy a jar of peanut butter, do you demand every cent to be going to production of the jar without overhead? Do you check the peanut butter company's CEO's salary to ensure it's not too high? I sure don't.

For this to be an accurate comparison, there should be two free sources of peanut butter, one that I want to donate to because it helps keep the peanut butter playing field level, while the other has a massive majority of the peanut butter market and uses that to do various anticompetitive things. But the one I want to support doesn't accept donations, only the parent conglomerate does.

Re: MDN Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

nabaraz wrote: post #183

I don't need any of MDN plus's features. Just give me Firefox at $5/month without ads, pocket, sponsored news, telemtry, affiliate links and all the data collection.

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Re: MDN Plus

#188

Post by boomboomsubban »

hu3 wrote: post #160
boomboomsubban wrote: post #144

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>Would that be acceptable in a for-profit company? If their revenue went way up, absolutely. Which is what happened when the executives got more money.

what revenue? Without Google's half billion dollars per year they are dead.

In 2010 it was a tenth of a billion dollars. If any public company went from revenues of $120 million to $560 million executives would unquestionably get a raise.

And then when the revenue goes down to something like $400 million, you'd expect something like the CEO stepping down and the number of executives getting cut. Like what happened with Mozilla.

Re: MDN Plus

#189

Post by [deleted] »

jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

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Re: MDN Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #189
jefftk wrote: post #3

Everyone who's been saying "I wish they would just charge money for this", here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

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