181–190 of 348 posts
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because it's safe doesn't mean they should hand it out like candy to anyone who wants it.
They aren’t… they are refusing to fill prescriptions, you know, written by doctors.
The whole Ivermectin debacle was ridiculous. I never had Covid. Or if I did, it was so mild I never noticed. So, I really have no dog in this fight. But the way the media handled this coverage was really, really off-putting. First, if it doesn't work, just say that. "It doesn't work". "Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for Covid". That's all that was really necessary, right? But no, there was this whole ridicu…
It was a story because people, for some stupid reason, started buying the horse version of the drug and horse owners couldn't get Ivermectin for their horses anymore: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/ivermectin-sho... I haven't read any story that said: "It's a horsey drug for horses! If you take it, that means you're a horse!"
That’s been said multiple times. By government agencies and media conglomerates. Amazing what you can find when you look for it.
Literal talking point from the FDA https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1429050070243192839?s=20
Debacle with CNN and Joe Rogan https://news.yahoo.com/lie-joe-rogan-accuses-cnn-151300650.h...
Ivermectin works because the first trials were done in developing economies where the average person had a high chance of parasitic infections. The steroids used as a standard front-line treatment for severe COVID decreases the immune response to parasites, allowing them to multiply unchecked. This killed patients indirectly, but dead is dead , and they "checked in" with COVID, not parasite complaints. Ivermectin is…
Nor strangers on the internet. Nor cable news networks.
Everyone agrees medical advice and treatment should be between a patient and their physician…unless you are Joe Rogan and one of the hosts of treatments your physician prescribes is Ivermectin. Then it seems it’s newsworthy and fair game to cherry-pick a single prescription therapy and disingenuously frame it as “Joe Rogan takes horse dewormer”, rather than Joe Rohan’s physician prescribes anti-parasitic therapy which studies show has potential anti-viral applications and early studies showed potential benefits for treating covid, and has otherwise is generally harmless to humans based on nearly a billion doses over decades.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think its less that MSM called the human, prescribed version "horse medicine" and more that people were actually taking horse medicine as a "preventative". In my part of flyover country, you had to provide evidence, from a veterinarian or a sale bill from an auction house, that you owned livestock to be able to buy livestock ivermectin. Because people were buying it to use on themselves. That's where the 'horse med…
Those rules have been common in a lot of places in the US for a long time now. They were made to prevent people from using them on dogs, as livestock ivermectin is much less expensive than the various forms that are marketed for dogs.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
You also seem confused. Yes, some people are interested in Ivermectin as a protease inhibitor. But the reason the de-wormer came to prominence in the first place was because some lower quality studies found it has a positive effect on COVID-19 outcomes. The most famous study in this collection came out of Brazil. But the reason that study found a positive impact from Ivermectin is that parasites are a harmful COVID c…
You and the parent comment are in complete agreement. They even said, in the first sentences: > Yes, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic, and yes that's probably why there's anecdotal evidence of it working. The reason people are testing it is because it has potential anti-viral properties as well. And then you said: > Yes, some people are interested in Ivermectin as a protease inhibitor. But the reason the de-wormer cam…
> Yes, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic, and yes that's probably why there's anecdotal evidence of it working.
and then shit on it for not discussing their pet theory:
> it's funny how badly you misunderstand the situation
Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not the effect they're trying to test. Yes, ivermectin is an anti-parasitic, and yes that's probably why there's anecdotal evidence of it working. The reason people are testing it is because it has potential anti-viral properties as well. Researchers discovered that ivermectin is a protease inhibitor - which means it can prevent viral replication when it comes to Covid. The problem, from what I understand, is…
You also seem confused. Yes, some people are interested in Ivermectin as a protease inhibitor. But the reason the de-wormer came to prominence in the first place was because some lower quality studies found it has a positive effect on COVID-19 outcomes. The most famous study in this collection came out of Brazil. But the reason that study found a positive impact from Ivermectin is that parasites are a harmful COVID c…
Can you link the follow up study confirming this?
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the people pushing conspiracy theories about the pandemic are a bigger concern than the subset of media that weren't effectively dispelling those conspiracy theories? It really doesn't make sense to collectively blame "the media" because some of them say silly or incorrect things sometimes. The word itself -- a plural -- tells you there isn't a cohesive "the media" to blame anyway. Who are you actually talking…
But it wasn’t a conspiracy theory. If you look at, for example, Scott Alexander’s analysis[1] there’s 26/30 studies showing an effect. Now, if you’re a medical doctor like he is and you spend hours poring over the studies, you can eventually conclude that they’re all flawed in various ways, and there’s not really an effect. If you’re a layperson and you see that there’s studies published in peer-reviewed journals, bu…
Sure, and that's why governments around the world employ such people, in significant quantities, to do exactly that, and then tell the media what they've concluded, who help distribute that information to us laypeople.
Which is exactly what happened.
Ivermectin works because the first trials were done in developing economies where the average person had a high chance of parasitic infections. The steroids used as a standard front-line treatment for severe COVID decreases the immune response to parasites, allowing them to multiply unchecked. This killed patients indirectly, but dead is dead , and they "checked in" with COVID, not parasite complaints. Ivermectin is…
Joe Rogan is a terrible person to get advice from.
But where are the good sources? Are science studies (funded by government, military or corporations) trustworthy? Is the government?
The issue is that all information has become obviously politicised. Which means it there are agendas in play foremost, rather than enabling the population to make informed decisions.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. Ivermectin has not proven effective at any point.
Quoted post unavailable.