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Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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What a totally disingenuous way to recieve the comment's spirit, which takes some serious miscontruing to take it to wherever you're trying to take it.

They way I misconstrued it was to assume that the door was wide open for a a fitting joke. :-)

Such a lowbrow cheap joke to assume that open source means "come take all my stuff" vs "i've made this to share with everyone" which does a disservice to open source more than it is funny.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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X has been really good about open sourcing all of the technical information from shut down projects. They did the same for the Makani power-generating kites. Love to see stuff like this

Genuine question, when Google open sources these designs, are they actually open source/free, or are they like Tesla's "open source" patents, that if used, gives the company the ability to violate your patents and IP without the threat of litigation[1]?

[1] https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ca6c332f-2cc5...

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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post #151

X has been really good about open sourcing all of the technical information from shut down projects. They did the same for the Makani power-generating kites. Love to see stuff like this

Genuine question, when Google open sources these designs, are they actually open source/free, or are they like Tesla's "open source" patents, that if used, gives the company the ability to violate your patents and IP without the threat of litigation[1]? [1] https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=ca6c332f-2cc5...

There's a patent non-assertion pledge linked in the documentation: https://storage.googleapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/H2E%...

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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So what is the practical use of this? Let's say that I'm not an engineer or a researcher or a coder, but would like to set some of these units up to collect water. How do I do so? Do I approach someone to build this for me (who?)? How much can I expect it to cost? In other words, how can I actualize this vision: > So the H2E team asked: “What if you could put the power to generate daily drinking water into the hands…

I'm thinking wildly here and not getting into technicals, but it could also be seen not necessarily for humans but also for ecosystem restoration efforts in harsh remote environments.

For example, while I have some viability questions the company Terraformation has been trial'ing photovoltaic solar powered water desalinization (using brackish wells as a source) in deforested areas for water - https://www.terraformation.com/blog/solar-powered-desalinati...

If I understand correctly (still learning and might be wrong), another way to frame this is in perceiving water vapor itself - you can be in desertifying areas and yet supposedly have plenty of water vapor to a lack of evapotranspiration. This is what some have framed 'the second leg of anthropogenic climate change' - ( https://museecology.com/2020/10/30/15-professor-millan-the-s... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf4jwkhCk_A - "Desert or rainforest" , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcsQw3ma_Y - "Restoring the Water Cycle 1" )

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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This could be great for a prepper's toolbox. If it actually hits the $150 price point, it's easily affordable for someone in the developed world who just wants to be prepared if the developed world un-develops, and drinking water's a critical survival need that many properties won't have available without municipal utilities or transportation. And in most apocalypse scenarios that you'd prepare for, you can't count on transportation remaining available.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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If it's extracting water from the air, "hot and dry" does not seem to be a good situation. You'd want humid air. Any water condensed from the air is going to be "pure" by most measures. It's essentially distilled water.

> Any water condensed from the air is going to be "pure" by most measures. It's essentially distilled water. And you can freely give it for spherical cows to drink in vacuum. Keeping any such device free from contamination is very difficult. Bacteria love the moist environments. Leave it unattended and you have moist dust. Lovely.

So put an air filter on it for the dust and boil or chlorinate the final product. I'm betting it's a lot cleaner than groundwater.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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post #141

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He's generally not wrong. But I agree, his approach is pretty obnoxious.

But aren’t the “debunkings” rather cursory and dismissive? Instead I think real engineering relies on tradeoffs, certain areas of a multidimensional space where an idea makes sense - and others where it doesn’t.

Watch them and find out? He explains why it takes so much energy to boil and condense water, calculates out and explains how many Joules to condense a litre of water, how long that would take for various solar panel sizes, compares the solar-water-collector against mains powered dehumidifiers, compares the solar collectors against using the same size panel as a rainwater catcher in different environments, compares it against the price and time to get 10,000 litres of water in a tanker and drive it a thousand kilometers, talks about the product's claimed size, isntallation cost or use cases and how they don't make sense.

I see his style is divisive, but I don't think they are cursory, at least the two I linked; he's clearly put hours of time into making them, it's not just him talking and laughing recorded in 20 minutes.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They way I misconstrued it was to assume that the door was wide open for a a fitting joke. :-)

Such a lowbrow cheap joke to assume that open source means "come take all my stuff" vs "i've made this to share with everyone" which does a disservice to open source more than it is funny.

Have a nice evening.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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post #151

X has been really good about open sourcing all of the technical information from shut down projects. They did the same for the Makani power-generating kites. Love to see stuff like this

Citation needed. I worked there for two years and there are a LOT of projects that are sitting collecting dust that in my opinion could really help people if they were released as open source. The one I am thinking of (not my place to disclose what it is) was canned in 2017 and I always wished they would have just released it. X has open sourced some stuff and that is great, but whether they have been "really good" a…

Be the change you want to see in the world. Inquire about getting it open sourced.

Re: Google open sources solar atmospheric water generator

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This could be great for a prepper's toolbox. If it actually hits the $150 price point, it's easily affordable for someone in the developed world who just wants to be prepared if the developed world un-develops, and drinking water's a critical survival need that many properties won't have available without municipal utilities or transportation. And in most apocalypse scenarios that you'd prepare for, you can't count o…

This seems relevant:

> The prototype described here is a purely experimental device. While substitutions and modifications are reasonably straightforward, water harvested with this experimental device is not intended to be ingested. Among other design choices, adhesives were selected for experimental performance and would need to be substitued with ones meeting food grade standards.

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