Zelensky video deepfake • Hacker News Board

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by benedikt » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:20 PM UTC

Mordisquitos wrote: post #163

gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Interesting! By the way, I'm curious about the word "uppges" . After running the sentence both through DeepL.com and Google Translate they seem to return the translation "Any message that the resistance should be stated is false" (though DeepL does list "abandoned" and "quit" among many options in the translation result dropdown). Also, after checking out Wiktionary [0]. I see it only lists "to give as a fact; to sta…

in this context it means "to give up".

> Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt.

a more direct translation: "Every message that resistence should be given up is false"

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by bavent » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:21 PM UTC

caffeine wrote: post #87

bavent wrote: post #26

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Have you tried living in any liberal part of the country? People there don’t just think they should dictate what you do , but also what you think!

As opposed to my state attempting to ban CRT from being taught in high school (a non-issue, since it isn’t)? I have lived in liberal parts of the country, for most of my life. They have a different set of problems, but I never once had my property vandalized for having the wrong sign or flag out front. People mostly left me alone.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by yznovyak » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:22 PM UTC

BeefWellington wrote: post #173

zionic wrote: post #141

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-258 views -nonsensical title -no comments -all videos on account are unlisted -you just found it Hmmm. How did you “find” this?

To add on: - Largely inactive since 2019 until ~15 days ago. - Ukrainian with ML background[1] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20083793#20093381 , Archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210224044558/https://news.ycom...

> - Largely inactive since 2019 until ~15 days ago.

I'm a lurker, sorry for that.

> - Ukrainian with ML background[1]

Thanks. I did finish Yandex's school of data science (2015-2018). I've been to Moscow in 2018 for their graduation ceremony.

Edit: My remark about me visiting Moscow is to demonstrate that I did not harbor any anti-Russia sentiments.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by jhugo » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

paganel wrote: post #118

WitCanStain wrote: post #91

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What questions did it raise for you?

How come in Romania (from where I'm from) it is illegal to have a street named after Antonescu (our Bandera counter-part from WW2) while in neighbouring Ukraine it is not? Why aren't they 100% for eliminating their Nazi past from, well, the present?

That law does indeed exist, but nonetheless you still have numerous streets in Romania named after Antonescu. They can be trivially found on Google Maps. For example, Strada Mareșal Ion Antonescu in Constanța [0] — and it was given that name in 2000!

Of course, nobody should judge all Romanians, nor even the political leaders who were not directly involved in the naming decision, for that. Countries are not a homogenous unit.

[0] https://www.google.com/maps/place/Strada+Mareșal+Ion+Antones...

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by rapind » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

newsbinator wrote: post #128

zelphirkalt wrote: post #111

The idea could also be to first post something obviously fake, in order to make everyone think, that their deep fake video tech is not addvanced enough to create really good fakes. Later they post something, where they put in maximum effort to make it seem real, having people think back to the previous fake and think: "Oh but this looks real and they are not able to produce better deep fakes than that other video."

That seems self-defeating via Streisand Effect or at least Cry Wolf effect. Most of the people who’d believe a video saying the opposite of what they’d expect is real have never been aware of deep fakes. And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real.

> And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real.

They may also be primed to question real videos. Aka “flood the zone with shit”.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by InitialLastName » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:23 PM UTC

spywaregorilla wrote: post #123

odonnellryan wrote: post #33

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Oh not on HN sorry. I meant in the context of general conservative discourse. I have friends and family who bring up the Clintons a lot.

The right wing political machine made Hillary Clinton out to be the devil. They, correctly, anticipated her run for president after Obama, and spent years making her out to be the worst person in America before she even began campaigning. The result is many conservative circles are still obsessed with her even though she is relatively unimportant.

That demonizing started way before the 2016 lead-up; until Obama came into the foreground she was also a clear front-runner for the 2008 election, so the machine was targeting her even then.

I've noted this before, but being in the public eye for too long tends to be really bad news for presidential hopefuls in the US (Biden being the exception that proves the rule in that he eked out a win against a wildly unpopular incumbent who was actively discouraging his own supporters from voting).

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by saltmeister » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by duxup » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:24 PM UTC

ghostpepper wrote: post #124

duxup wrote: post #93

I'm curious about the usefulness of deepfakes in the face of 'momentum'. Russia has largely been seen negatively, not just for the invasion, but also their military performance. Underdogs are popular and Ukraine's stiff resistance vs what was thought to be a vastly stronger power and they have has captured a lot of the West's enthusiasm / support. Russia's propaganda about nazis, being liberators, chemical weapons, '…

I doubt that any propagandist ever thinks a single piece of propaganda will single-handedly turn the tide of a war. I am no expert but I assume it's more a case of 'every little bit helps'

I wonder though, as it gets more absurd does the sell get harder?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by duxup » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:25 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #106

duxup wrote: post #93

I'm curious about the usefulness of deepfakes in the face of 'momentum'. Russia has largely been seen negatively, not just for the invasion, but also their military performance. Underdogs are popular and Ukraine's stiff resistance vs what was thought to be a vastly stronger power and they have has captured a lot of the West's enthusiasm / support. Russia's propaganda about nazis, being liberators, chemical weapons, '…

War is war... russia just has a worse propaganda machine in the west, than the west has. Internally (in russia), the propaganda was probably better, but so was the eg. "iraq has weapons of mass destruction" in the west. But this video looks like someone from 4chan made it "for the lulz".

>But this video looks like someone from 4chan made it "for the lulz".

That would make a lot more sense.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by snorkel » Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 2:26 PM UTC

Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Whenever I stumble into a political conversation with someone who prefers to live in an alternate news reality, I find it effective to not argue back at them, but rather out-flank them: inform them that not only are they correct, but also I read that insert-like-minded-improvised-obviously-ridiculous-nonsense-here and say it with all sincerity ... and then let them respond with "Well ... I'm not sure about that ..." and then insist it's true "because I saw it on Faceboook somewhere" ... and then repeat until they realize they have been out-crazied.