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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by millzlane »

thbw wrote: post #162

Throwaway for obvious reasons. This is hypocrisy of Western democracy. I can't recall when Google was removed after US invaded so many countries. Why do Western companies oppress free speech when it doesn't match their narrative (Julian Assange, now Russian media)? Why not give Russian "propaganda" tell its narratives and let people decide? Are you afraid of their truth/"truth" or are you afraid people will follow th…

How is Mozilla choosing which search engines to show in their browser oppressing of free speech?

"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Are they blocking users from going to those sites? No. Are they preventing those sites from loading in the browser? No. Are they stopping anyone from creating a website and saying whatever they want? No.

Just because you don't agree with Mozilla on this action doesn't make it oppression of free speech. This is simply one organization deciding not to have a relationship with another organization. Not everything is an attack on free speech or expression.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by _-david-_ »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #160
_-david-_ wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Parler tried to start their own social media and that didn't turn out to them. Three of the largest tech companies kicked them out. How do you compete when you aren't allowed to compete?

At the same time, sites like 8chan and kiwifarms manage to get hosting. Perhaps the lesson is to stop dealing with big tech companies.

You pretty much have to deal with big tech to have an app and no social media site can really be big without it. (I know side loading exists on android).

Parler hosting on Amazon was an incredibly dumb decision though.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by amingilani »

nickysielicki wrote: post #169
Destiner wrote: post #152

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Definitely consider migrating off Yandex. If (when) it will be required by gov to choose either staying in russia or outside of russia, it will choose the former.

Literally took me 15 minutes. Now to begin the process of changing the email on a few dozen accounts... me@nslick.com

I made the mistake of posting an email address on HN. I get a lot of spam on it now. I know it's because of HN because the email address is hackernews@domain.

It's like a tsunami of spam and phishing emails.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by nickysielicki »

amingilani wrote: post #183
nickysielicki wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally took me 15 minutes. Now to begin the process of changing the email on a few dozen accounts... me@nslick.com

I made the mistake of posting an email address on HN. I get a lot of spam on it now. I know it's because of HN because the email address is hackernews@domain. It's like a tsunami of spam and phishing emails.

bring it on, it'll give me the opportunity to tweak my notmuch filtering

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by dhdjjd »

dTal wrote: post #164
dhdjjd wrote: post #149

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Living without free press is better than being dead. And it doesn't matter to me whether good or bad guys kill me.

Well I think in an ideal world "liberating" would not involve mass murder of the "liberated" population. I am aware that this is a historical weak spot. Even still - I don't see a problem with countries rescuing other countries from despotism, in principle. I eagerly include my own country in this - if a Putin-like figure arose and I was not permitted to speak out or face death, it would comfort me to know that help…

Today is just a large prisoner's dilemma/tragedy of commons.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by gurkendoktor »

notavalleyman wrote: post #63
fleddr wrote: post #50

Never before was the open internet challenged this hard, and never before has it failed so hard. Under pressure, every single thing is subject to politics and cancellation: browsers, search engines, search results, social media, cloud infrastructure, payment systems and even money itself. None pass the test of being open or neutral. At this rate, your much hated crypto folks may actually start to have a point. Kind o…

Yandex is hardly a politically neutral web service, though

A neutral web browser is not one that only lets me access politically neutral websites (all five of them), but one that doesn't care what I look at.

In fact, the few times that I've used Yandex were because it is not politically neutral. I was curious whether the results for some queries look different when they're not being filtered through the lens of the American empire. That use case should make Yandex more relevant these days, not less.

(Although, to be honest, the search results were quite boring and normal.)

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by xtian »

kelnos wrote: post #57
xtian wrote: post #39

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You probably won’t take this advice, but you should really start making peace with the fact that the US is completely incapable of accomplishing any of these warped fantasies of yours. The vast majority of the world is celebrating the self-evident decline of US-centric unipolarity. But those of us who live here have some hard years ahead.

That's the thing. Even if we were to suggest that the parent's ideas had merit (big "if"), it's pretty laughable to think that the US is capable of doing this properly. Looking back, it's hard to find American successes in this sort of meddling, all the way back to WWII.

True, and the US didn’t even properly defeat the Nazis (see, for instance: Adolf Heusinger, Operation Paperclip, and the many Nazis who happened to find themselves in positions of power in West Germany).

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by smt88 »

BirAdam wrote: post #36
smt88 wrote: post #12

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The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

So, by your moral standard, the entire Earth should have isolated the US economy when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets, right? The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen? These things are done without the consent of the governed, and these things are often done without even the knowledge of the general pu…

> when the US government/military was killing Iraqi and Afghani civilians and destroying non-military targets

The US should not have invaded Iraq for any reason. I would have supported sanctions against the US for those crimes if any country could afford them.

That said, Saddam Hussein's government is not Zelenskyy's government. They're apples and oranges. Ukraine was a functioning democracy that never antagonized Russia.

The war in Afghanistan is a lot more complicated because it was arguably provoked by 9/11 and they didn't (and don't) really have a functioning central state.

> The entire planet should also be isolating Saudi Arabia for its genocidal war in Yemen?

Yes, absolutely.

> Economic warfare kills people just as much as bullets and bombs.

Speaking only about Russia and Ukraine for the last few weeks: bullshit. Russians aren't having pieces of their loved ones sprayed on them by bombs, watching their cities be destroyed, or leaving their lives behind.

Every death, whether in Russia or out, is the fault of its dictator, Vladimir Putin. He is very popular and probably genuinely won his last few elections. It is perfectly fair to blame the Russian people, even though many are brainwashed.

But even if they were all innocent Putin-haters, this lopsided war (economic on one side, violent on the other) is preferable to an all-out war that would kill far more people.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by krisoft »

fortnum wrote: post #111
krisoft wrote: post #109

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> Because I do not condone that move. Thank you for your answer. Could you elaborate on it? Is it a software freedom question to you? Or perhaps a free speech one?

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No worries, perfectly understandable. Emotions are high now. Have a nice day!

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ratsmack »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #159
fortnum wrote: post #100

Have been a strong(!) advocate for Firefox for years. Now it is time to switch. Not sure where to yet, Chrome is not any better, Palemoon is not exactly well supported. Maybe Brave, Vivaldi, or Opera, though they are all Chrome-based as well. Difficult decision and not very happy about it, as I do think we need more than just one browser engine, but I can't support Mozilla any more.

I'm curious to see if LibreWolf will bring this FF change in.

I'm waiting to see what Debian does.
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