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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by gremlinsinc »

amelius wrote: post #118
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

I think we should ask some marketing genius on how to approach this one. Robo-calling and having a recording say "the people are stronger than Putin", or something like that, could have an impact if people hear it often enough.

Robo call in Russian and say: Z is For Zelenskyy, if you support Zelenskyy put a big Z on your vehicle. (Russia's trying to create their own Swastika out of Z which is very poor marketing since Zelenskyy's name starts with Z and you can't really google 'Z'... etc...

The best counter is to make the Kremlin have to guess if you're Z is secretly counter-support or actual support for their 'narrative' of what 'Z' stands for.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by ssk169 »

remarkEon wrote: post #165
elliekelly wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say it’s not a war and then offer a definition of war that very clearly applies to the current scenario.

If that scenario is defined as "Russia and Ukraine are currently engaged in battle" then sure. The United States and NATO are not at war with Russia and I'd prefer it stay that way.

Funny thing that word "war"... By that definition US has never been at war with Russia/USSR yet a large part of last century was called "The Cold War". Kinetic war is not the only form of warfare.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by remarkEon »

ssk169 wrote: post #182
remarkEon wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that scenario is defined as "Russia and Ukraine are currently engaged in battle" then sure. The United States and NATO are not at war with Russia and I'd prefer it stay that way.

Funny thing that word "war"... By that definition US has never been at war with Russia/USSR yet a large part of last century was called "The Cold War". Kinetic war is not the only form of warfare.

You are free to blur the lines all you want, but OP and everyone else here knows what the end game is and they're going to drift that direction regardless of what people like me say about the dangers of doing so.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by lostmsu »

gruez wrote: post #134
xwdv wrote: post #93

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Putin is not a train, he is only a man, and can be killed.

He has the entire Russian security forces protecting him. For a random person going against him is quite close to standing in front of a train.

Prisoner's dilemma.

I see so many variations on that argument, but they all commit that fallacy.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by apexalpha »

mindslight wrote: post #145
NoGravitas wrote: post #63

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> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

> Russia's invasion of Ukraine is illegal and unjustified, but what moral grounds do Americans have to say anything about it? The same moral grounds as when we condemned and protested the US's invasion of Iraq? Yes, we were a minority. The majority was hopped up on state propaganda about WMDs and 911 etc. Basically the same as Russia's "denazification" message or whatever it is today, only the US establishment is muc…

The US really isn't much better at it. Everyone in the world knew the US was lying about it.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by amelius »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #181
amelius wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should ask some marketing genius on how to approach this one. Robo-calling and having a recording say "the people are stronger than Putin", or something like that, could have an impact if people hear it often enough.

Robo call in Russian and say: Z is For Zelenskyy, if you support Zelenskyy put a big Z on your vehicle. (Russia's trying to create their own Swastika out of Z which is very poor marketing since Zelenskyy's name starts with Z and you can't really google 'Z'... etc... The best counter is to make the Kremlin have to guess if you're Z is secretly counter-support or actual support for their 'narrative' of what 'Z' stands…

Good one!

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by gremlinsinc »

asats wrote: post #44

If you want to help the protest movements in Russia, support the russian opposition, NGO's that provide help to people arrested during demonstrations (13750 as of today) https://ovdinfo.org/ , and independent journalists who are currently escaping the country to continue their work abroad in relative safety. Calling random people, messing with the russian internet, targeting the russian opposition/journalists escapin…

I think another good move is help tank Russian economy faster, the faster it all implodes the more 'time' Russians have and more 'encouragement' to blame their leaders.

Examples of things you could do: Form a convoy and block access points to Coke, Starbucks, and McDonald's warehouses/convoys in your country as a protest - continue this until they pull out of Russia. This will cause a lot of lost jobs, wages, and lost business for Russia. Rinse and repeat until every western business has left.

Work on ways to move Chinese businesses (as many support Russia) over here or to EU countries, not the business itself but the industry or product that is needed or shipped from Asia, i.e. help find ways to end our dependency on autocratic societies.

They want to support each other then we need to block them, and make it hurt for anybody else who does.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by cloverich »

antisthenes wrote: post #122
xdennis wrote: post #94

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What are you doing better?

The person you replied to is against a feel-good lose-lose solution. That's pretty good. What are YOU doing better?

Their condescending, sarcastic response implied (somewhat ambiguously) that it was too small and insignificant an effort and therefore not worth doing. They didn’t make a meaningful argument why. They further glossed over any knock on effects, such as what the caller might learn about the callees viewpoints and situation.

Sometimes action driven by good intent that does not lead to a desired outcome can serve as a precursor to more effective action. While I too think this is probably not a good idea, i do also wonder if it is so meaningless, why does Russian government need to suppress information, news, and discussion among their citizens in the first place?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by lostcolony »

calculatte wrote: post #71
lostcolony wrote: post #7

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If only someone was there, able to take pictures and report on it! You know, like all the news organizations across the world. Or refugees were streaming out of the area with horror stories. And satellite pictures and spy planes showed Russian troop movements. And the tyrant of Russia even said he was sending troops into another sovereign country, while contextualizing it under an obviously false narrative (that woul…

Should we also tell them about all of the WMDs we found in Iraq that those same news organizations told us existed for sure? How many other false narratives do those "trusted" organizations need to tell before you stop trusting them?

>> that those same news organizations told us existed for sure

No they didn't. They reported on what US leadership was claiming; they did not claim to have seen it, did not provide video footage, did not have people in Iraq going "Yep. Right there. That WMD. Right there. Oh, also, over there is the crater where they tested it", etc etc.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #181
amelius wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should ask some marketing genius on how to approach this one. Robo-calling and having a recording say "the people are stronger than Putin", or something like that, could have an impact if people hear it often enough.

Robo call in Russian and say: Z is For Zelenskyy, if you support Zelenskyy put a big Z on your vehicle. (Russia's trying to create their own Swastika out of Z which is very poor marketing since Zelenskyy's name starts with Z and you can't really google 'Z'... etc... The best counter is to make the Kremlin have to guess if you're Z is secretly counter-support or actual support for their 'narrative' of what 'Z' stands…

Better yet, make them use juuust slightly yellow paint for their Z. I want to see Russian cops start carrying colorimeters to determine guilt, lol.
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