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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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How convenient. What was Russia's excuse before NATO was created? Do you really think that if NATO did not exist that Putin would keep it in its borders?

Putin wouldn't even be a thing, and modern world would be vastly different, if NATO did not exist. > What was Russia's excuse before NATO was created? Excuse for what? What are you even talking about? Do you even know what NATO is and when and how it was formed?

> Putin wouldn't even be a thing, and modern world would be vastly different, if NATO did not exist.

You're right, it would be different. Russia would be all over the Baltics, Finland, parts of Poland and Romania, performing special peacekeeping operations.

> Excuse for what?

Excuse for attacking and occupying neighboring countries. Russia's track record goes back in history much further than 1949.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

#182

Good. It's insane that the west is calling out censorship from Russia, but is doing the exact same thing itself.

No one in the US government is forcing their hand here, and freedom of speech includes freedom from compelled speech, or the compelled platforming of others.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Not everyone is a paid shill. Lots of tech people are Russians and/or from Russia and support the war in Ukraine. Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

> Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated. Is there any independent polling in Russia? Is it even possible? I am under the impression the penalties for being against the war are severe and getting worse, to the point that even having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police…

> to the point that even having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police

Sounds ridiculous, like a half-fake unnuanced broken-phone twisted misrepresentation.

> There is also the question of whether Russians even know there's a war where Russia is the aggressor against a democratic state, and attacking civilians. There are by now many reports of people in Russia who simply don't believe that's what's happening - instead they think there is no war, that it's a lie propagated by Western aggressors against Russia, and that Russian soldiers are in Ukraine to liberate the people

And this, kids, is the exact reason why we need a real pluralism of opinions and shouldn't rely on one-sided biased sources, as you can't even do a reality check.

> If I were in Russia and asked my view, and highly educated for real on the actual circumstances, I'd answer that I was pro special military operation (what war?) because there's a chance the person asking is special police and I might end up in prison - or provoke an investigation which gets my friends into prison - if I say anything else.

This image is cartoonishly ridiculous. Do you actually unironically believe in some sort of secret police, asking for your opinion on war? Seriously?

Everyone in Russia knows there is a war and no one really "supports" it. But enough people somewhat understand reasons for it, or rather just blame incompetent politicians from all sides.

A lot of people obviously don't believe the "attacking civilians" part, simply because it's an overly convenient propaganda narrative and also a lot of video evidence of this are old recycled videos from attacks on Donetsk, that Russians had already seen before, having been in the loop much longer than average Westerner.

There is actually the question of whether Westerners even know that there has already been 13k bodies death toll before the invasion, or that Ukraine actually incorporates neonazi rhetorics and symbolics in their National Guard (google Azov Battalion)

Lots would laugh over calling Ukraine "democratic", given the coup, the dismantling of opposition (both in politics and media) and the "ukrainisation" laws. Most consider Ukraine to be just as oligarchy as Russia, but with a more ochlocratic spin, rather then autocratic.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Putin wouldn't even be a thing, and modern world would be vastly different, if NATO did not exist. > What was Russia's excuse before NATO was created? Excuse for what? What are you even talking about? Do you even know what NATO is and when and how it was formed?

> Putin wouldn't even be a thing, and modern world would be vastly different, if NATO did not exist. You're right, it would be different. Russia would be all over the Baltics, Finland, parts of Poland and Romania, performing special peacekeeping operations. > Excuse for what? Excuse for attacking and occupying neighboring countries. Russia's track record goes back in history much further than 1949.

> Russia would be all over the Baltics, Finland, parts of Poland and Romania, performing special peacekeeping operations.

Maybe, maybe not. There would probably be no point in peacekeeping operations if there was no transcontinental military industrial complex as a factor for geopolitical destabilization.

> Russia's track record goes back in history much further than 1949

Considering the historic period you are referring to, Russian track record seems much more restrained then other superpowers rising in 20th century. Maybe you should be more specific?

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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> Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN. The only time this comes up on CNN is when they show Putin saying it and talk about what a bullshit lie it is. The fact is Putin wants to reestablish the Russian Empire. This was just one of the myriad excuses he used to invade. Repeating it is repeating Putin's propaganda, which is the job of his propaganda groups RT/Sputnik/etc

> talk about what a bullshit lie it is And everyone happily consumes this, as no one has their own opinion anymore. Doesn't make it less of a concern from security perspective of Russia. Frankly, this kind of chauvinistic attitude is one of the main actual reasons of why Russian-Western relations had degraded to this point. All of this had already been predicted by political experts all over the world almost 20 years…

Degraded relations because of testing war responses from Russia, hacking everything except Russian keyboard, actually invading Europe now and 8 years ago could have something to do with it though.

Those warnings were indeed mentioned more than 20 years ago, that is correct. The rest is bs.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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In before irate trumpkins compare rt with cnn/msnbc while ignoring the fact that fox news is 100% legal to operate. Oh wait, too late.

Flamewar comments will get you banned on HN, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Fortunately you don't seem to have much (any?) history of posting like the above, so it should be easy to fix.

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> I'm no authority to classify or confirm whether RT is a "government propaganda vehicle". russian war shill, go fuck yourself.

You've been breaking the HN guidelines so badly, so repeatedly, and so shockingly, we have no choice but to ban the account. I don't want to do that, but this is not allowable here:

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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I suppose everything is weird to a North Korea sympathizer. See, two can play this childish name-calling, accusation game.

What a dumb argument. North Korea also has hospitals. Are hospitals a sign of tyrannical dictatorship? Use your brain a little, for fucks sake.

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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What a dumb argument. North Korea also has hospitals. Are hospitals a sign of tyrannical dictatorship? Use your brain a little, for fucks sake.

I'm genuinely shocked that all of this goes straight over your head. I suppose that your desperate need for yes-men and sympathy lead you to pulling false equivalence out of thin air. Perhaps that also confirms the name-calling, it must be frustrating to you.

Your account has been breaking the site guidelines by posting flamewar comments and has also been using HN primarily (in fact, it seems exclusively) for political/ideological/nationalistic battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. Therefore I've banned the account.

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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> Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated. Is there any independent polling in Russia? Is it even possible? I am under the impression the penalties for being against the war are severe and getting worse, to the point that even having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police…

> to the point that even having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police Sounds ridiculous, like a half-fake unnuanced broken-phone twisted misrepresentation. > There is also the question of whether Russians even know there's a war where Russia is the aggressor against a democratic state, and attacking civilians. There are by now many reports of people in Rus…

>> having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police

> Sounds ridiculous, like a half-fake unnuanced broken-phone twisted misrepresentation

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30578125 "Moscow police officers stop people, request their phones to read their messages"

Read the comments, not just the headline. It sounds like what many people would expect in any country tending towards dictatorship. If it's not happening, then of course, great. But it doesn't sound ridiculous.

>> There are by now many reports of people in Russia who simply don't believe that's what's happening

> And this, kids, is the exact reason why we need a real pluralism of opinions and shouldn't rely on one-sided biased sources, as you can't even do a reality check.

And thank you for contributing your own opinion. It could have done without the "that's ridiculous" etc. though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60600487 "My city's being shelled, but mum won’t believe me"

Parents say things that children see are contradicted with their own eyes. The parents are, like your writing, dismissive, laughing it off, saying the other person is silly. Understandably, the children are distressed and think their parents are out of touch with reality.

In the West we all know large numbers of people who think naive things. So it's reasonable to think there can be plenty of Russians who think in that way too.

>> If I were in Russia and asked my view,

> This image is cartoonishly ridiculous. Do you actually unironically believe in some sort of secret police, asking for your opinion on war?

Russians leaving Russia in a hurry have said they were questioned at the airport by border guards about their views on the war, and being very afraid that if they give the wrong answers they won't be free to leave. There is certainly some asking about opinions on war going on.

Maybe it's too much to worry about secret police in some countries. But at least parts of Russia have a long history of secret police and good reasons for paranoia during the cold war. You cannot dismiss the re-emergence of that out of hand. We still remember the polonium-204 and recent Novichok poisonings by Russia in the UK, so we're inclined to think of Putin as still thinking that way.

So with that in mind, we were talking about "independent polls". That means phoning people at random, or similar. It's not that I'd expect some poller to be secret police, it's the 1% possibility that my answer might get processed somewhere with extremely bad consequences if I were frank and vocal with my answers. What would you think if someone you've never met or heard of phoned you at random, in Moscow, to ask your views on the war in the last few days?

The recently enacted anti-protest law with ridiculously long prison sentences shows there is a crackdown happening. We know the authorities like to hand out long sentences for holding the "wrong" views. Remind me, how long has Navalny been imprisoned so far? "Alexei Navalny faces 15 more years in prison as new trial starts" (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/15/alexei-navalny...).

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