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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dillondoyle »

_yoqn wrote: post #114
TameAntelope wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious about where you see an institutionalized support on the left for election tampering claims, if you have any sources.

“Racially motivated patterns of voter suppression are responsible for Stacey Abrams not being governor of Georgia right now.” — South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D), in remarks in Bow, N.H., Oct. 25, 2019 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/30/did-racia... Also don't forget about Bush v. Gore. It's apparently a "historic" moment when Gore finally conceded the election to Bush. https://www.history.co…

That is completely different than claiming there were millions of hacked ballots and all kinds of other crazyness.

Those are legitimate political arguments about voter suppression laws.

No one on the left claimed Kemp and Republicans stuffed ballot boxes or China hacked whatever.

The argument is based in facts. Many Republican controlled states, especially in the south, have historic issues with suppressing the votes of black and brown Americans.

You can argue over the extent to which this suppression still exists and how much it affects election outcomes.

But it is not even close to the same as arguing that the election was completely fraudulent because of real voter fraud, that the SOS or whatever bureaucrats should overstep their authority to throw it out.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by scantis »

xdennis wrote: post #143
goostavos wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything other than blind nationalism what we're calling "propaganda"...? The west absolutely has a role in the current state of the world. I don't think it's propaganda to acknowledge to situation is messy, and far more complex than "Russia is bad guy. Everyone else: good guy with no wrong doings." If anything, I feel as though the propaganda is strongly flowing the other way. I'm blown away by how quickly popula…

Most of the states in eastern Europe have been victimized by the Russians. All the countries which aren't partially controlled by Russians have tried to join the west (EU, NATO) to protect themselves from Russians. Countries which weren't enthusiastic enough about joining the west (Ukraine, Republic of Moldova, Georgia) are occupied by Russians. Russians are the orcs. It is literally as simple as that.

Would you like to kill all orcs or is there a magic spell to make them precious elves again?

What about the wee little snotlings and the goblins?

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by onedognight »

lliamander wrote: post #99
pfisch wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

Whom among the capitol protestors is being charged with insurrection?

The first “protestor” pled to seditious conspiracy just yesterday.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1462481/downl...

Likely many other people will be pulled into this if you read the above indictment.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by bashinator »

choward wrote: post #78
bashinator wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Google is a private concern with the right to publish or not any content they see fit. That they can defacto censor opinions they don’t approve of is a failure of the market.

This argument is only valid if the government wasn't pressuring Google. Because they are Google can now use it as an excuse to censor whatever it wants. The government also has big contracts with Google so they can use that as leverage too. This is another form of government censorship that actually benefits Google. The government and Google are both at fault.

The government would not be able to bring that pressure to bear if YouTube, g-suite, and Google cloud weren’t all the same company, and if there were a competitive market for internet video distribution.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by another_story »

dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

A bit different considering the west has alternatives which are not blocked, whereas China doesn't. You can even spin up your own sources and serve whatever you want,a right not afforded the average Chinese citizen.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dillondoyle »

xdennis wrote: post #143
goostavos wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything other than blind nationalism what we're calling "propaganda"...? The west absolutely has a role in the current state of the world. I don't think it's propaganda to acknowledge to situation is messy, and far more complex than "Russia is bad guy. Everyone else: good guy with no wrong doings." If anything, I feel as though the propaganda is strongly flowing the other way. I'm blown away by how quickly popula…

Most of the states in eastern Europe have been victimized by the Russians. All the countries which aren't partially controlled by Russians have tried to join the west (EU, NATO) to protect themselves from Russians. Countries which weren't enthusiastic enough about joining the west (Ukraine, Republic of Moldova, Georgia) are occupied by Russians. Russians are the orcs. It is literally as simple as that.

Yes. Ukraine wants in EU and NATO.

'the west' was reluctant, especially on NATO membership. The messaging might have been wrong. Because they don't want to dilute the open door policy.

But they specifically said not right now and that nothing was being discussed.

Not to mention NATO is self defensive and that both sides have been proliferating weapons.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lijogdfljk »

cryptonector wrote: post #158

If it's nonsense, then why censor it? If it's not nonsense, then why censor it?

If it's instructions on drinking bleach, why censor it?

The discussion has to be one of nuance, but i think back to the days of TVs (lol). TV and radio had (to my understanding) laws about what you can say on air, different than what you would encounter on the sidewalk. It seems to make sense. After all, piping instructions on drinking bleach into everyones home seems bad. Inciting riots in mass seems bad. I don't know, but it seems logical to me.

The internet is obviously different.. but not different in every way, in my view. It seems like we need to be honest with ourselves. The internet is different than just yelling things on street corners. What should be allowed? I don't know. But i don't think it has the same freedoms as yelling on the sidewalk.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by geraneum »

lliamander wrote: post #99
pfisch wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

Whom among the capitol protestors is being charged with insurrection?

A few have been charged with seditious conspiracy. It’s not “insurrection” but also not “lighter” necessarily.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/leader-oath-keepers-and-10-ot...

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