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Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by adrian_b »

snidane wrote: post #172
ajuc wrote: post #2

Why "x" instead of "z" in cz/sz/rz etc. sounds? It's not used by any Slavic languages AFAIK, some use z, some use ^ (and they used z in the past), others use cyrylic but nobody uses x for these. It's weird. Also w for szcz makes no sense. Use r for "ja" while you're at it :)

I'd personally lean towards using english spelling for some of these, which for example pinyin (chinese in latin alphabet) also adopted. It's pretty established already and would be easier to adopt by foreigners. - ch (č) instead of cx - sh (š) instead of sx - zh (ž) instead of zx - shch instead of wx - kh instead of 'x' or 'ch' (kharkiv) Additionally, you might correct the unfortunate use of i, y and j in slavic lan…

"J" is pronounced in at least 4 different ways (English, French/Portuguese, Spanish, German), each way being used in much more countries than I have mentioned. Each of the 4 ways is used by much more than 100 million people, in wide areas of the world.

I believe that most of them will pronounce Jamaica in their own way and different from the others. Thus there is no established rule about how to pronounce Jamaica.

Therefore, I believe that the only acceptable rule for the sound of "J" is the rule that is the oldest, i.e. to use "I" strictly for the vowel and "J" for its consonant form.

For the voiced form of "č", the best would be to use g with caron, for symmetry, even if currently few fonts include this character.

In my opinion "Y" should not be used for any sound of a Slavic language. It should better be reserved for its original sound, which is missing from the Slavic languages.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ideaoverload »

mongrelion wrote: post #27
msrenee wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm only familiar with Russian, but "es" for "to be" feels weird too. And it's used where Russian would just omit it. Are there Slavic languages that are more liberal with it? And I feel like some form of Cyrillic would be much more natural both because of the available phonemes and because I believe most Slavic speakers would be more familiar with it than the Latin alphabet. As a non-native learner, I've always had…

Even though Russian does drop the "to be" in present tense for all pronouns, other Slavic languages do feature it either as a separate word or together. For example this is how you say "I am Russian" and "You are Russian" in: Slovenian: Jaz sem Rus Ti si Rus Croatian: Ja sam Rus Ti si Rus Slovak: Som Rus Ty si Rus Whereas in Polish is a joint word (but the to be is still merged in there): Jestem z Rosji Jesteś Rosjan…

Polish example seems to be some mix up of forms:

  Jestem z Polski == I am from Poland
  Jesteś z Polski == You are from Poland
  Jestem Polakiem == I am Polish
  Jesteś Polakiem == You are Polish
Both have very close meaning but 3&4 seem to be equivalent of examples in other languages given above.

Source: I am Polish

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by wheelerof4te »

hurflmurfl wrote: post #67
Tenoke wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Щ is already a pretty pointless letter. If you are simplifying anything then just using шт is one of the lowest hanging fruits. Ditto for я and ю.

Щ is indeed read as "sht" in Bulgarian, but in Russian it would be read as a softer "sh" or mix between "sh" and "ch". If anything, maybe it can just be dropped in favour of plain "sh"?

I propose we just read it as "shit" from now on :)

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by wheelerof4te »

kgeist wrote: post #118
throwaway290 wrote: post #115

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They did not just swap it, did they? Svi (everything) is also related to svit (the world), which is also in Russian as svet. This is why I say Serbian made more sense to me as a native Russian speaker. Likewise Serbian sutra, which in Russian is zavtra, same idea (in the morning, i.e. tomorrow) but with seemingly more unnecessary manipulations (considering morning is still utro in Russian).

Pretty sure Serbian swapped vs- > sv-, the word is not related to "svit" (it's a folk etymology). Russian vs'ak "everyone" = Serbian svak "everyone"

Not pretty sure, absolutely.

Also:

  svak => svako
  svit => svet

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by drran »

ajuc wrote: post #31
ivoras wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a speaker of Croatian (southern Slavic) and Ukrainian (western Slavic), both Slavio and InterSlavic are bad from the Croatian POW, but InterSlavic is definitely a better choice in either case. Many word forms in InterSlavic just seem like strangely archaic versions of Croatian, but might pass as "just strange" for Ukrainian.

Ukrainian is eastern Slavic though? As a speaker of Polish (western Slavic) reasonably familiar with Ukrainian I find InterSlavic and madzuslovanski (or whatever it's spelled) much better than this Slavio.

Ukrainian is a Slavic language. It's average of language spoken by 9 tribes with light influence of ancient Greek from Crimea and Byzantine, with almost no German and Latin influence, because they are proxied by Slavic neighborhoods.

Greeks influenced Ukrainian language indirectly: via songs. When Ukrainian salt traders (chumaks, чумаки) visited Crimea, they also picked fresh songs to sing when traveling, and then they spread those new song all over Ukraine. Often, chumaks based their songs on Greek songs, because ancient Greeks were much better in music. Chumaks also created portable copy of harp, which they called «bandura» («big thing»), which then used for hundreds of years.

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by yreg »

odiroot wrote: post #54

It seems to me (a Pole) this language is much biased towards South Slavic languages. Possibly also towards East Slavic. It's not very similar to Polish.

Slovak here, I'm able to understand Slovio better than Polish (better than any slavic language other than Czech and Serbo-Croatian actually).

Re: Slovio, an international simplified Slavic language

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Post by ozim »

ulzeraj wrote: post #186

Not a slav. I must comment tho on the website aesthetic. I was thrown back to the 90s as soon as I clicked the link.

As a slav after I opened the page I stopped being interested in whatever that language is.

I was amazed by the design and only thing I miss would be marquee text.

I loved animated gifs though and table layout.

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