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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Even if he was an antisemite at one point in his life or even his entire life, how does that change what the original poster said about him - that he was brilliant? I'm genuinely curious because I've seen this kind of knee-jerk response across many avenues (e.g. x is an antisemite, is hitler, is a facist, is a commie, is a trump supporter) and I don't understand it. In the medieval era most people participating in Eu…

Was Elizabeth Holmes brilliant for defrauding Silicon Valley for over a decade with Theranos? By your standards, yes. If Solzhenitsyn writes a brilliant but mostly exaggerated and fictitious account of Communist Russia, do you really want to celebrate this achievement? I do not and that's why I posted.

> Was Elizabeth Holmes brilliant for defrauding Silicon Valley for over a decade with Theranos? By your standards, yes.

It's not just my standards. I could be wrong here, but I think most people would find her brilliant. That's part of why her fraudulent behavior was so successful.

Not sure you meant to, but you've dodged my main question. Why should I factor in his antisemitism (alleged or not) when considering his brilliance?

You originally said Solzhenitsyn was antisemitic, now you are claiming he wrote an exaggerated account of Communist Russia. Either or both of those claims may be true. I don't know the veracity of either and I'm not arguing those. I'm asking *why I should disregard his purported brilliance altogether even if those claims are true*?

Washington owned slaves. Edison likely exploited his workers for his own gain. Martin Luther was an antisemite. Nelson Mandela had ties to terrorists. Joan of Arc was a heretic. Theodora was effectively a prostitute at one point. These men and women all did and said things we would not approve of, and yet there are qualities they held and actions they took which we celebrate to this day. I don't see how some corrupt part of their character gives cause to dismiss them entirely.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Two out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been…

> Twitter and facebook are being blocked This is the silver lining as people on Reddit are reporting a marked decrease in right wing trolling in all their social media

Which country do we have to sanction to cut down on all the left-wing trolling and astroturfing on reddit?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

In the Context of politics being preference: “ He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse.” Isn’t this, by definition, a very debatable topic with pros and cons that have to be weighed. Where one comes down, I.e. their preference for policy on this, will be informed by their background and biases. E.g. it isn’t entirely obv…

I agree whole heartedly. Until we figure it out, treating it as legal abuse and punishing the parents is the way to go.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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That's not even the worst part. Another proposition is to send anti-war protesters to war “so that they can see what's actually going on”.

So the idea is to arm the anti-war protestors, then put them near the officers who are running the war on the ground?

Maybe I'm being cynical, but I think there may be some potential problems with that approach.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

The backchannels were Manafort/Kilimnik, Michael Flynn/Kislyak, and more. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-... is a digestible background. That is just the US - most European countries have analogues, as do key Asian, African, and South American countries. The are not separate phenomenon at different stages, they are a global, coordinated group. They were coordinated by the massive cash flo…

Yes, it's the same trans-national crime syndicate. It's the same war, even – it's just recently became kinetic. Amazing the ROI that Vlad got from TFG.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I get the impression that Putin was on the edge of losing Russia before Ukraine. Ukraine may be a final ploy for him to stay in power. Wartime crack downs, crippling political rivals with loss of large foreign assets, insulating Russia from external media, cutting domestic media, mobilizing troops and reserves. All of this cements a shaky position which was being undermined by foreign and domestic political groups.

We'll see how the gamble goes. We may see Russia become North Korea 2.0 with the Putin family as the new Tzars of Russia. Or maybe a second governmental collapse is imminent.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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I'll stop laughing when Fox News is no longer the most watched cable news outlet in the country. A self described entertainment channel, who said under oath "no rational person would believe the things we say" I think CNN would try to hide under "entertainment" in front of a court of law, but have they actually been dragged in front of a court for lying?

MSNBC has used the same "entertainment" defense when it was sued for defamation. All news media organizations use this defense, its not unique to Fox.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-court-ruled-rachel-maddow...

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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post #155

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Even if he was an antisemite at one point in his life or even his entire life, how does that change what the original poster said about him - that he was brilliant? I'm genuinely curious because I've seen this kind of knee-jerk response across many avenues (e.g. x is an antisemite, is hitler, is a facist, is a commie, is a trump supporter) and I don't understand it. In the medieval era most people participating in Eu…

Was Elizabeth Holmes brilliant for defrauding Silicon Valley for over a decade with Theranos? By your standards, yes. If Solzhenitsyn writes a brilliant but mostly exaggerated and fictitious account of Communist Russia, do you really want to celebrate this achievement? I do not and that's why I posted.

Even if The Gulag Archipelago was mostly fictitious, which it certainly is not, it would still be a staggering work of literary brilliance. There is quite literally no other work I'm aware of in Western literature that is even comparable. The prose is incredible, moving, at times dark and punishing, and in a turn hilarious and you really feel the wight of the exercise of having written the thing while reading it.

The broad facts are well supported by what's come out of Soviet archives since the 90s and further details are supported by the Mitrokhin Archive. The surviving Stasi archives also paint a similar picture.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Not just America, in the EU right now: In Czechia up to 1 year for publicly supporting Russia (two people already detained): https://www.praguemorning.cz/expressing-support-for-russia-o... In Slovakia, supporting [Russian] war propaganda 10 to 25 years: https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagand... EU banned RT and Sputnik: "It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast or to enable, facilitate…

Wow! That should be the real headline story. "Western" (w.t.f. does that mean?) state destroys freedom of speech in order to save it from Russia.
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