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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Regulation: > it is necessary, consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union What. Don't gaslight me with sentences like this in a of…

> Freedom of expression, and information?!

You conflate a number of things here. First of all, Russia Today and Sputnik are no EU citizens or corporations, they are entities of the Russian government. Therefore, they are not protected from being banned or censored in the EU. And for what it's worth, their actual journalists still can work in the EU, and publish their work, just not under the banner of the two banned entities - that's assuming they want to work for the dictatorship, which many seem to not want any more [1].

Second, the "firehose of lies" that Russia Today and Sputnik have used over the last decade to sow distrust into virtually every aspect of our lives is an attack on freedom of expression here. Hard to use your freedom of expression if you end up getting death threats from a bunch of propaganda-brainwashed trolls (see e.g. the recent thread about a German anti-vaxxer, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30288582). Citizens of the UK can't enjoy any EU-guaranteed human rights any more because Russian propaganda and dark money goaded a tiny majority towards Brexit.

Third, Russia is a country that has committed what can be seen as acts of hostility towards the EU. Not just the mentioned propaganda warfare, but also cyberattacks, violations of airspace, or the string of attempted and successful murders of Russian dissidents using highly dangerous radioactive and chemical weapons. The European Union is under no obligation to support any rights of any entity associated to an enemy, an enemy that broke all rules of diplomacy and international law.

[1]: https://www.t-online.de/finanzen/unternehmen-verbraucher/id_...

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #82

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> and the effects of Russian disinformation campaigns on our society are real is this not a failure of czech/european society at large instead of RT?

This is rather like blaming the host for the spread of a virus.

why is the host not wearing a mask?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #109
post #82

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> and the effects of Russian disinformation campaigns on our society are real is this not a failure of czech/european society at large instead of RT?

What society is not susceptible to propaganda? Most Russians still think the war is just in the places where there are large Russian minorities and have no ideia the Russian government is attacking the fucking capital of Ukraine

> What society is not susceptible to propaganda?

oho, slippery slope here. by this measure most media should be banned.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Regulation: > it is necessary, consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union What. Don't gaslight me with sentences like this in a of…

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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I have been blasted with propaganda and lies from the west for almost a week now. Things that never happened: - Ghost of Kiev - Sunflower Seed Lady - Snake Island Defiance - Miss Ukraine Airsoft Fighter Then I get sources of info closed off to me, I find that exceedingly concerning. The west is winning the information war, but at the cost of the truth? I’m of a mixed mind for sure.

What is actually concerning you? I don't think we actually need all the information at all right now. Ukraine is fighting an uphill battle and they are holding longer then anyone expected. If that's the price of the truth, im happy to pay it. The truth will get out eventually anyway.

> The truth will get out eventually anyway.

same thing can be said about so-called "news" from RT, no?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #126

Regulation: > it is necessary, consistent with the fundamental rights and freedoms recognised in the Charter of Fundamental Rights, in particular with the right to freedom of expression and information as recognised in Article 11 thereof, to introduce further restrictive measures to urgently suspend the broadcasting activities of such media outlets in the Union What. Don't gaslight me with sentences like this in a of…

Censorship does not have to be public. Private companies can and do censor things all the time. They have that right. Freedom of speech is freedom from government censorship, not private censorship.

> Freedom of speech is freedom from government censorship, not private censorship.

That's not a universal definition, no. E.g. in the EU Facebook and Twitter have lost cases where they blocked posts for "ToS violations" and were ordered to restore them on free speech grounds. (whereas apparently in the US the perspective is more that banning corporations from banning people is violating the corps free speech rights, and doesn't see as much of a balance there)

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #172

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Lol, yeah January 6th truly is the important event here. Truly the benchmark for the worse that could happen. What a completely self centered comment, like I'm sorry but you realize we are talking about a war and you still managed to bring up January 6th as if that was even remotely comparable or similar to what is currently happening?

WTF? Where did I say Jan 6th is the worst that could happen? I just said it is the sort of shit that happens when you let people consume propaganda. Of course that what is happening right now is way worse, as other things in the past have been.

Sorry for the tone of my comment, I think I'm just tired of seeing Americans referencing that event everytime something bad happens as a benchmark for the worst thing ever (I'm exaggerating of course). But I can see that your comment didn't imply that, so again sorry for being rude.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #177

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Do you really believe that that minor error on my behalf is enough to dismiss the mountains of evidence? - Trump calls Putin "savvy" https://youtu.be/UsTH-WqbEu8?t=80 - Trump defends praising Putin https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/26/politics/trump-cpac-putin... > The problem is not that Putin is smart, which, of course, he's smart And sorry, it wasn't a genius, it was a stupid flop filled with greed and hubris. Jesus…

I really can’t disagree with this: > "The problem is not that Putin is smart, which, of course, he's smart," Trump said. "The problem is that our leaders are dumb... and so far, allowed him to get away with this travesty and assault on humanity." Trump is smart, which is why he recommended Europe arms itself and reduces dependence on Russian gas during his term. Other Western leaders are dumb, because they didn’t lis…

Fact check:

- Trump wanted to sell US gas to EU in 2018.

- Trump wanted to pull out of NATO -> weaker NATO weaker response to Putin's invasion in 2019.

- Germany cut nuclear because Schroeder, friend of Putin's. See links above.

What weakness did Trump "exploit" and "how"? Also, citations needed.

> If dumb Western leaders were at least as smart as Trump, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

Yes, if western leaders were as smart as Trump, Ukraine would have been lost already, and covid would have ravaged Europe like it did with US.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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post #180

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Do you think Russia are being unfairly demonised by western countries right now? Is the invasion of Ukraine, + war crimes in some way just?

Not OP. And I think so. It's outright war on all things Russian right now. Russia upset the social order of things and now they are being punished, everywhere, without impunity or due process. They will not stop until the entire Russian country is bankrupt and starving, or desperate enough to go far enough for them to escalate. Honestly, I see this anti-Russia stuff as using the Ukraine tragedy to hide racist motivat…

Of course it's coordinated censorship. Free speech is not unlimited.

By invading Ukraine and - in particular - threatening the use of nuclear weapons, Russia did the equivalent of shouting "fire" in a crowded theatre. Under the circumstances, the world is absolutely right to come down like a tonne of bricks on anything and everything Russian that might be used to justify those threats.

I don't think you realise the gravity of the situation.

BTW if you want alternative opinions there are plenty of non-RT ones out there. No-one's pulling China's CGTN off satellites, for example.

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