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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by slantyyz »

3pt14159 wrote: post #93
daptaq wrote: post #73

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> Biggest lie ever. People want 16:10, but for years the industry shove 16:9 to your customer because it was the cheaper panel. Any background on this? I always assumed 16:9 became popular because of videos.

I have a MacBook Pro with 3456 × 2234 (around 16:10.5) resolution and it is perfect . I don't know why people would want laptops at 16:9 at all. I can play videos just fine on this thing and the other 95% of the time it's a better resolution for doing things like coding and spreadsheets.

> 95% of the time it's a better resolution for doing things like coding and spreadsheets.

Depends on the use case. my wife (accountant) lives in Excel, and I set her up with two 21:9 monitors side by side (42:9 overall) and she loves that setup compared to the one she has in the office.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by gonzus »

pjmlp wrote: post #11
josteink wrote: post #10

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When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).

That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

This is simply not true. I have been using Linux (Ubuntu) on my work laptop (Dell) for at least four years, and have used Linux on my personal laptop for much longer. Please don't spread FUD.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by userbinator »

Unfortunately I don't think Lenovo has the market dominance and/or desire that IBM had in the early 80s with the PC to make their ARM platform the de-facto standard, which means this is going to be yet another of many proprietary platforms whose only thing in common is the instruction set. This is no doubt going to be very different from Apple's ARM platform, for example. Even the next model or revision might have some things completely different.

I still remember the days when "IBM PC compatible" meant (at the very least, a desire to) something.

If Lenovo releases the schematics and detailed architecture reference like IBM did with the PC, they might start another PC revolution; but I doubt they will.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by wincy »

shusaku wrote: post #121
ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

> This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Doubtful. But they’ll make up for it by having it be on sale 24/7/365. I love my thinkpad but the buying process is awful.

Yeah but you can constantly get deals on the new MacBook Air for ~$850. It’s just such an amazingly good and affordable laptop.

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Post by pjmlp »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #49
pjmlp wrote: post #29

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WSL2, as good as it gets.

While I agree WSL2 is pretty good, and it's great that it's available on Windows, you still have to put up with the day-to-day annoyances of the OS. The general UX is the main reason why I don't use Windows. I actually gave it an honest try in 2020. I was pretty excited about Windows terminal, the inclusion of OpenSSH (I always hated Putty) and even went on the insider channel to test out WSL2, with Docker desktop an…

I moved back from a Linux zealot into Windows, because the day-to-day annoyances of the OS running on Laptops, and for graphics programming, are much more berable on Windows.

Running Linux on VMs since 2012, since VMWare made it painless to do so.

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Post by pjmlp »

mixedCase wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #31

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My experience with Linux since 1995, kind of proves otherwise, I lost track on hand holding Linux on laptops, including those sold with Linux pre-installed.

I've got zero problems on a T490. All I did was grab the nixos-hardware module for it and off I went. Maybe don't buy hardware that other people haven't tested first? Some vendors pre-install or announce Linux support but don't actually have anywhere near proper support.

Like the Linux problems on Dell XPS models?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #43
pjmlp wrote: post #30

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My Asus 1215 B, sold with Linux pre-installed has a different opinion on the matter.

If you think pre-installed linux is bad, wait until you try pre-installed windows.

Works great on professional graphics workstation laptops.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

sofixa wrote: post #110
rvz wrote: post #81

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Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less wo…

Why do you think they aren't? There's a massive gaming on Linux movement which is only going up, and Chromebooks are outselling Apple Macs. Most main OEMs sell Linux-compatible devices, that come with Linux preinstalled.

20 years for 1% increase, sooo massive.

Chromebooks aren't Linux, the userspace runs on the Web Platform, and Crostini is no different from WSL 2.

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