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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by culopatin »

gtvwill wrote: post #66
culopatin wrote: post #55

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What is eh about the build? It’s my first Apple device after a series of high end Windows laptops and I can’t find anything on the build that is not solid in comparison. The only complaint I have is that sometimes the keys leave an imprint on the screen but that could just be my bag being too tight. I would definitely have this problem with a Thinkpad or high end HP anyway. Speakers are the best I’ve heard and the ch…

Your view on what is a good build is different to mine (which it should be!). I as part of my job sometimes fix laptops. Used to do it alot more and see alot more models but less these days. https://www.ifixit.com/News/54122/macbook-pro-2021-teardown There. have a read. Whilst some folks might marvel at that and think its a work of engineering glory. To me it just looks like the IT equivalent of a john deere tractor.…

You may want to review what the meaning of “average” is. Take all the laptops out there, rank their build quality, and find the mean. The fixability is not a build quality issue, it’s a design choice and you know that going into it. Other laptops may appear more fixable but turns out no one makes parts for them because they were meant to be disposable, and on top of that they are a creaky thin and hollow mess with shitty hinges.

I still think that the MacBooks are all above the average of what’s out there.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by raman162 »

imilk wrote: post #143
raman162 wrote: post #23

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I personally do. A "just works" configuration will be ideal for me. Anytime I install linux on a new computer, I find myself spending too much time tinkering with configuration settings to make basic things like adjusting keyboard brightness and volume control work with the respective keys.

You don't have to do any of that with a Framework and Ubunut/Pop. The only real thing to adjust was getting the fingerprint sensor working, which really was copy/pasting a script. Everything else worked perfectly out of the box.

That's good to hear!

However there also seems to be a problem with battery drain when the laptop is sleeping which kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop for me.

It would be great if that was supported out of the box as well.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by culopatin »

sneak wrote: post #58
culopatin wrote: post #55

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What is eh about the build? It’s my first Apple device after a series of high end Windows laptops and I can’t find anything on the build that is not solid in comparison. The only complaint I have is that sometimes the keys leave an imprint on the screen but that could just be my bag being too tight. I would definitely have this problem with a Thinkpad or high end HP anyway. Speakers are the best I’ve heard and the ch…

The bottom panel isn't supported well against the internal components and it makes a hollow sound, it feels like plastic even though it is metal. Compared directly to the immediately preceding 16" it feels way less solid (I have both). It's also rather ugly, I look forward to Apple spending more time figuring out how to get those features and capacity into a case that doesn't echo boxy plastic PC laptops from 15 year…

I had to go tapping around to see what you meant and I still don’t understand why it matters so much. The main frame is pretty solid, and that’s where I type. Compared to the AVERAGE of the laptops out there, I still think it’s well above the mean. If one day you find yourself at a Walmart or best buy or whatever equivalent in your country, check some truly average laptops and you’ll find what an average windows laptop feels like in 2022.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by derbOac »

adamrt wrote: post #38
gtvwill wrote: post #34

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I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.

Perf Avg? I thought the M1 was absurdly fast, no?

I have a macbook and am happy with it, so not a hater, but...

A lot of outlets have pointed out that the M1 chip came out in this kind of interim period between Intel and AMD releases, so performance comparisons were a little misleading.

If you compare M1 chips to more recent AMD chips (I'm less clear about Intel), they're more similar. There's differences in power use and singlecore versus multicore attributes but overall they're much more similar than you'd conclude based on when M1 first came out. M1 is still very nice and efficient, but not absurdly better, or maybe even better at all.

There's a lot of issues with memory use (leaks, excessive use) on M1 laptops. There was just a post about this here on HN. The issue is sometimes raised without awareness of it as a general trend, but it keeps coming up over and over. So far I haven't seen any explanation for why it happens or how to avoid it, but it's real. Just Google "macbook memory leaks" and you'll see plenty of discussion. As far as I know, there's been some red herring solutions but no actual resolution.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by causi »

freedomben wrote: post #97
causi wrote: post #31

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Yes, I'll be excited about version 2. Version 1 just has too many missed opportunities. For example, a single type-c bay could accommodate two type-A ports, or one port and one microsd reader. Wasting a whole one on a reader is dumb when most laptops just have one stuck somewhere. Give me a bay with a pop-out bluetooth mouse in it. Give me a non-chiclet keyboard and a touchpad with real buttons and a dGPU option and…

FWIW, I have an HDMI and an sd card reader expansion card that I keep in my backpack. I rarely need them buy they are small and super easy/quick to swap out that I just remove a USB port and put those in when I need them. I had a lenovo with all-the-ports and I feel like I have a lot more with the framework since I can put in what I need when I need it. I haven't yet needed an sd card reader while charging while plug…

Why keep a microsd expansion card when a regular microsd card reader would be half the size and plug into the USB port without removing anything?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by causi »

kmeisthax wrote: post #57
causi wrote: post #31

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Yes, I'll be excited about version 2. Version 1 just has too many missed opportunities. For example, a single type-c bay could accommodate two type-A ports, or one port and one microsd reader. Wasting a whole one on a reader is dumb when most laptops just have one stuck somewhere. Give me a bay with a pop-out bluetooth mouse in it. Give me a non-chiclet keyboard and a touchpad with real buttons and a dGPU option and…

There's been discussions about dual-port expansion cards on the Framework forums[0], but the problem is finding a chip that will pass through all the things you expect USB-C to handle over both ports. This is actually a larger problem with USB-C, as each altmode is basically a different spec that reuses the same connector, with lots of negotiation and custom electrical requirements involved. So any moderately niche a…

but the problem is finding a chip that will pass through all the things you expect USB-C to handle over both ports.

Why bother when no other manufacturer does? Just give me two USB 2.0 ports for peripherals.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by [deleted] »

culopatin wrote: post #183
sneak wrote: post #58

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The bottom panel isn't supported well against the internal components and it makes a hollow sound, it feels like plastic even though it is metal. Compared directly to the immediately preceding 16" it feels way less solid (I have both). It's also rather ugly, I look forward to Apple spending more time figuring out how to get those features and capacity into a case that doesn't echo boxy plastic PC laptops from 15 year…

I had to go tapping around to see what you meant and I still don’t understand why it matters so much. The main frame is pretty solid, and that’s where I type. Compared to the AVERAGE of the laptops out there, I still think it’s well above the mean. If one day you find yourself at a Walmart or best buy or whatever equivalent in your country, check some truly average laptops and you’ll find what an average windows lapt…

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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by [deleted] »

omdv wrote: post #17
aunty_helen wrote: post #9

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This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that. On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever. Speakers are a bit quiet, ag…

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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by tebruno99 »

aunty_helen wrote: post #9
sudders wrote: post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

Weird, I love the touchpad. So much better than My Dell XPS 9710

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by netizen-936824 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #172
raffraffraff wrote: post #170

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Window tiling has killed off my need to worry about app window position. I used to have a nasty habit of opening a text editor during the day and taking random notes during phone calls or as I worked. Several forced restarts (administrative, accidental or hardware related) forced me to start using those sticky-note apps. I've moved to Joplin now (very structured, supports markdown, syncs to dropbox periodically, is m…

I thought browsers preserved session cookies when configured to open previous tabs on launch. I don't think I've ever noticed a logout from restarting a browser.

Same here, as long as firefox is set up for it then everything is restores (don't think there's a solution for half-filled forms though)
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