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Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by oblio »

zozbot234 wrote: post #79
bitcharmer wrote: post #68

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I've been a gnome user for well over a decade. What's common to hear from people like you who have a good level of understanding the ecosystem and the community is that Gnome developers consistently make shitty design decisions and refuse to take input from a wider audience. What is the reason for no group emerging, forking gnome and doing it the right way? I'd actually pay to support such efforts.

That's what XFCE is. (And MATE of course!) Now that they uniformly use Gtk3+, they could even try to achieve better touch readiness than even Gnome itself!

XFCE didn't fork Gnome, though. It was a CDE clone at the start. It just uses Gtk, but otherwise it doesn't really copy Gnome much.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by reassembled »

kesslern wrote: post #112
floren wrote: post #83

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Unfortunately not... after prolonged use, my middle finger gets pretty painful from the mid-clicking. It's less ergonomic than a real button.

Consider a Ploopy trackball. There are 4 easy accessible buttons on the mouse plus another under the scroll wheel, and it's fully programmable. https://ploopy.co/classic-trackball/

May as well call it Tracky McTrackface. Looks like and awesome project but “Ploopy” is such an odd naming choice. Is it a non-English word or have special meaning in the community?

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by detaro »

reassembled wrote: post #182
kesslern wrote: post #112

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Consider a Ploopy trackball. There are 4 easy accessible buttons on the mouse plus another under the scroll wheel, and it's fully programmable. https://ploopy.co/classic-trackball/

May as well call it Tracky McTrackface. Looks like and awesome project but “Ploopy” is such an odd naming choice. Is it a non-English word or have special meaning in the community?

https://blog.ploopy.co/yall-need-a-new-name-48

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by kaba0 »

hughrr wrote: post #60
zozbot234 wrote: post #38

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> I still dislike the gnome3 title bar with the icons. It's a key part of touch readiness. There's even a Windows-like theme for Gtk3+ that looks really close to the original, you might like it better than the default look.

Why do we have to suffer it on the desktop though? It’s so damn hard moving windows on gnome without setting something off accidentally. Especially with the shitty touchpad input devices. My mac laptops aren’t touch screens and they get this usable. The whole gnome desktop makes me want to stick forks in my eyes.

Super+drag anywhere on a window. It should be a must on every single OS.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by hashimotonomora »

habosa wrote: post #127

These apps look very nice, I am happy to see this movement. But this is HN so ... allow me to go a bit off topic and complain. Why is is so freaking hard to install an app on Linux (Ubuntu)? There's nothing in the software center, and when I find an app I want I am just pointed to a .tar.gz or something. I want a file I can double-click and end up with a launchable icon representing that app in my dock later. I would…

sudo apt install

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by Tmpod »

Klonoar wrote: post #165
kodah wrote: post #130

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libadwaita and Kirigami are huge improvements for the desktop app ecosystem from what I've seen as a user. When I started to delve into desktop applications I quickly realized there's a couple hurdles I face: 1. QT was an ecosystem shock to me. I barely knew what to do to get started and got lost easily. 2. Do these applications work outside of Linux; more directly, do they have dynamic dependencies? From my experien…

Rust and GTK3/4 are fairly well supported, no? I know QT is a bit more of a pain to do from Rust, but I wanna say that's possible too... though nowhere near as evident as gtk-rs.

For Qt (QML/QtQuick; Widgets are no linger the preferred method afaik) you have qmetaobjects-rs, which is reeally nice.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by alpaca128 »

habosa wrote: post #143
drekipus wrote: post #139

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what's wrong with the ol' "sudo apt install foo" outdated packages are the problem of the distro, not of the tool. the whole reason I went from windows -> linux was because I could just type in what I want, rather than having to go looking around for dumb things on sites that no longer exist.

That installs a binary tool I can run at the command line. Which is great for a lot of things. It's not great for a web browser or a calculator. I want an app. I want it to have an icon I can click on and a button to close it. I don't want logs in my terminal or zombie processes and I don't want to have to remember the name/path of a binary.

`apt` can install everything you can find in the graphical Software Center and more, and with the exact same results (like icons to click on).

If it's not available in `apt` repositories there's a pretty good chance you can install it with flatpak, which does roughly the same but is distro-independent. Graphical non-free software like Skype is easy to install with flatpak and "just works" in my experience.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by nirvdrum »

Klonoar wrote: post #165
kodah wrote: post #130

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libadwaita and Kirigami are huge improvements for the desktop app ecosystem from what I've seen as a user. When I started to delve into desktop applications I quickly realized there's a couple hurdles I face: 1. QT was an ecosystem shock to me. I barely knew what to do to get started and got lost easily. 2. Do these applications work outside of Linux; more directly, do they have dynamic dependencies? From my experien…

Rust and GTK3/4 are fairly well supported, no? I know QT is a bit more of a pain to do from Rust, but I wanna say that's possible too... though nowhere near as evident as gtk-rs.

GTK and Rust works really well on Linux, which I suppose is the pertinent part given the focus of the article. I've yet to work out how to get GTK and Rust to work on macOS or Windows, which makes cross-platform UI difficult.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by nailer »

spitfire wrote: post #154
nailer wrote: post #24

> An example is Flathub, where new applications using the most modern toolkits and UX strategy appear every day, providing "just works" alternatives to complex older FOSS software,, in a boom similar to that seen around 2012 on Apple's Mac App Store. Damn that’s sad to read - for those unaware, Linux had one of the first app stores ever in about 2002 (Click n Run on Lindows/Linspire).

Interestingly NeXTStep (which became Apple) did it back in the 1991. http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/SWCatalogs/page274/page27... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_AppWrapper Also, I remember back in 1996 when quake came out you could buy the shareware CD which came with all of IDs games locked. You called up a number and paid to get an unlock code. Very, very quickly a serial generator started floating aro…

Idstuff! I remember that.

Re: A new wave of Linux applications

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Post by TheSmiddy »

bityard wrote: post #75
floren wrote: post #62

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I use the acme text editor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acme_(text_editor) for work every day. It makes heavy use of mouse chords, so I need 3 real buttons on the mouse, and it's hard to find a mouse with 3 real buttons and a scrollwheel which doesn't get in the way of the buttons. I've got a Kensington Expert Mouse trackball which works pretty well, but at the end of the day an old Logitech PS/2 mouse plugged into…

You might like the Logitech Anywhere MX. 5 real buttons and a scroll wheel that toggles between clicky and smooth. Only downside is that it's not bluetooth, it needs a tiny USB dongle.

It has bluetooth support as well! I use the MX master but it's the same system. There's a button on the bottom to switch between up to 3 devices.
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