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Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by crtasm » Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 3:54 AM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #154

_-david-_ wrote: post #150

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I don't think anybody actually cares the politicians have a party. The average person cares that politicians didn't follow the rules they passed while enforcing / attempting to enforce the rules on the average Joe.

Right answer! This is about signalling more than it's about the actual health details and people (rightfully?) are unhappy because leaders who make rules should follow them (right....?) Frankly I think our politicians deserve a break and should be able to have a party to blow off steam once in a while, and I tolerate fairly modest violations of the lockdown policy.

I think a lot of people in other professions were also working hard, deserved a break and wanted to blow off steam, are you advocating for them to be allowed to ignore the law set down during pandemic too?

How much harder is it going to be to convince the public to follow rules/guidelines if we announce that certain groups can ignore parts of them?

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by notch656a » Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 5:07 AM UTC

kelseyfrog wrote: post #180

notch656a wrote: post #168

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You're relying on the (inaccurate) fact that this tactic is designed specifically in mind to shut down trans-haters/trans-disinformation (I lack the right word here, but you know what I mean, people who are seen as spreading damaging and likely untrue information about LGBTQ). Ignoring the debate about whether our methodologies should be applied uniformly, even to trans disparagers or even people like Nazis, this tur…

Just wanted this to die down because this is like meta-meta discourse at this point. I love this tactic because it gets people to earnestly say what they believe. More people in debates should say what they believe. The problem is when people don't want to reveal what they believe. These people know their assumptions and conclusions are socially unacceptable. Socially unacceptable beliefs make people feel socially is…

I understand your justification boils down to 'did it for the greater social good to out people I disagree with.'

It doesn't make me look any more favorably on you. You engage in 'luring', drawing people into performances they 'didn't want to be in' and set 'traps.' Some of these people you engage may be genuinely bad and disingenuous people, others may be honest and well meaning people with bad ideas. And some, may simply have ideas you disagree with and don't have bad ideas at all. You on the other hand, are cool and calculated while laying in wait with what you characterize as 'traps' for others.

Frankly I think you're no better than the individuals you intend to impugn. You use your remarkable intelligence for deceit, and even brag about it. Dishonest behavior is not the way to fix unsavory influences. But the greatest tyrannies and misdeeds happen under guise of acting on the greater good, and this same rationale tends to make people act in the boldest fashion when they otherwise would not.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by rawTruthHurts » Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:55 AM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #134

oxfordmale wrote: post #48

This needs to be seen in the context of the political situation in the UK. Boris Johnson, the current PM, is currently on this 9th and last political live. During the strictest period of lockdown, when UK citizens where not able to say goodbye to loved ones dying in hospitals, several parties were organised at his residence . It is alleged he attended two of them himself and was photographed drinking beer. In attempt…

I honestly don't care if my politicians have parties during covid. that seems like a really weird thing to complain about.

I guess it boils down to how comfortable you are with hypocrisy and double standards.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by amanagnihotri » Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 7:38 AM UTC

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #174

amanagnihotri wrote: post #112

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I refreshed my understanding of OAuth 2.0 and sure, its typical flows which are meant for convenience do not offer the level of privacy protection as you mention. But if we replace that convenience with some effort from the user, we can get the privacy protection as well. The flow can be as follows: The user authenticates itself via government's site and is presented with a page which lets them create government-sign…

Well, that technically works, but it's unusable. And you would have to do that for every site that requires age verification. It's not really oauth 2 either, even though it re-uses bits of it. There is no "flow"!

A FOSS browser extension developed and maintained by a non-profit organization, vetted/audited by other trusted third party entities can facilitate convenience in this flow, bringing the overall experience closer to a desirable state.

The websites which are to be restricted by government-imposed legalities can expose the claims they need during their registration/verification process and the browser extension can automatically retrieve those claims alongside other details as mentioned previously, and can auto-fill on the website for the user.

Since this extension acts as the intermediary client, it knows the parties involved but it preserves user's privacy accordingly due to its vetted nature and as a FOSS application.

Of course, there will be concerns regarding pushing people to use such things but if legality can force people to give out their credit card details on certain websites, then it can also push for such user-focused convenience ways to enforce the legal matters. Whether it will really happen is not in our power but technically it is a resolvable matter as put forth by the original comment.

Re: UK.gov to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Post by desas » Thu, Feb 17, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #104

desas wrote: post #102

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The government already have a GOV.UK Verify programme for identity assurance that they want to be funded by the private sector. They'll presumably just encourage people to use one of those private operators (currently Digidentity and Post Office) and maybe it'll encourage more operators to spring up. See https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/introducing-govuk...

They screwed up that for me. I registered, worked with it for a few months (via Expedia, iirc), then they just said "sorry, we're disabling this for you" - probably because of Brexit, but who knows. Can I recover my account somehow? Who knows, I couldn't be arsed and just let my accountant do things for me.

Sorry for the late reply, but depending upon timing it might be because Experian dropped out of the programme.