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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Seriously. Some people need to lay off the Fox and the right wing talk radio. They act like they’re being so oppressed because they have opinions people don’t agree with and they get called out for it. Like, how privileged has one’s life been and how much of a small bubble do they live in that they have never said something stupid and faced consequences for it. These are the same people that bitched about desegregati…

How about getting your head out of CNNs ass also?

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A little overly dramatic there, but if things keep escalating, this is what it could come down to.

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What you're framing as an extremely un-nuanced left/right dichotomy is really a power dichotomy. All the companies you're calling "leftist" seem quite conservative to me, regardless of their supposedly liberal veneer. They act within the existing political/economic system, have every incentive to maintain the status quo, and have nothing to gain by dismantling "the system (man)." They bow to pressures of the market at times, but that is no way a leftist stance.

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Are you sure you are on the right side of the argument yourself? Suppose next year, the government mandate that you lose weight, or stop smoking or run everyday, all that of course for the "greater good". And then the year after that, it requires that you give pills to your children because that makes them "less indisciplined" and so on and so forth. Stop being so certain and think a little bit. By accepting this man…

This is a classic slippery slope argument. Losing weight is not the same thing as a pandemic like this. The two-fold reason that these measures are taken is A) over-filling of hospitals and shut-down of all non-emergency services and B) extremely high death rate. Smoking or whatever scary slippery slope you think we're on is not the same thing as the ICU's filling up way over capacity and hundreds of thousands of people dropping dead that normally wouldn't.

The idea that we should be against common-sense measures to promote herd immunity during a very real pandemic because "the government will make you stop smoking" is frankly an outrageously claim.

It's long been held, since at least America began, that herd immunity is vital to the success and security of a nation. Our militaries require these vaccinations because a fighting force must be healthy. Our schools require these vaccines because sick kids and sick cities don't learn.

The idea that a vaccine mandate is anything more than a century-old, bog-standard, completely required part of the human war against disease is a radical and anti-civilized position. Herd immunity is non-negotiable for our level of modern society to exist.

I swear, we are killing ourselves. Dense civilization requires trade offs, and in the war against pandemic disease, that does include vaccination.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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The difference in political significance between a broadcasting platform and 10 million dollars vs a cake is a little hard to ignore.

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To be honest, if the left treats their wishes with no respect and calls them racist and misogynist without any foundation, they should be prepared for whatever shit comes their way.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I hate both the protest group and desantis but honestly he’s right. The only reason gofundme (or any org with similar practices) do this is because they know that some people will miss the deadline, and the it becomes pure profit.

Hate is a pretty strong word for people resisting government overreach.

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I spent a decent part of my adult life in Canada and I can’t believe what in God’s name is happening to that place. Canada is experiencing a severe housing bubble at the backdrop of Chinese snow washing, wage stagnation is real and middle class is slowly getting wiped out. The only thing keeping the GDP at the level it is is high level of immigration which favours the wealthy in the name of a “point based immigration…

As a Canadian, it's been utterly shocking to watch our country crumble in the last few years. This summer I'll be moving away for good. In the last decade I've seen most of my family leave for the US due to the higher incomes. I always kept hope that maybe Canada would get better. It hasn't, it's gotten very bad. The insane level of immigration has eroded away any leverage the working class has. Now you see all that…

I agree with everything you're saying. I'm hoping the current protests are going to be a catalyst for Canadians who for the most part are apathetic and apolitical to wake up and notice what has happened to our country and finally push back. We're so far gone though I don't know how we can actually reestablish ourselves though: in particular, our political parties are so hollowed out of anyone remotely competent and interested in the future of the country that regardless of the will of the people, I don't see how it can be represented.

We've also literally created millions of crazy people with all the covid fear propaganda, and I don't know how we reintegrate them into society.

I could go on, we're in a lot of trouble.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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I had to sign a letter with my employer stating that I accepted I could be terminated should I not be fully vaccinated by Dec 31, 2021. I feel a line has been crossed, and I fully support the idea that the mandate is bad. Vaccines are great, I voluntarily got it anyway, but I don't feel it's ok to say you deserve to be fired or worse (and I've heard much worse) if you decide the vaccine is not for you. I support the…

in the USA, a psychiatric patient, even if seriously ill, has the right to refuse medication. This non-negotiable law is in place exactly because of past generations battle over forced medications.

I don't think that's comparable at all. If you don't want to get vaccinated but your employer has a mandate, you can quit.

Similarly, your employer can fire you if there is no reasonable accommodation for your medical condition that you are willing to accept. If, for example, you have a treatable form of schizophrenia but refuse all medication, you can get fired if that condition renders you unable to perform your job duties.

You can get committed to an institution, or your employer can be forced to reinstate you, but absent such an order from the legal system, you are free to refuse treatment, and your employer is free to let you go.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Seriously. Some people need to lay off the Fox and the right wing talk radio. They act like they’re being so oppressed because they have opinions people don’t agree with and they get called out for it. Like, how privileged has one’s life been and how much of a small bubble do they live in that they have never said something stupid and faced consequences for it. These are the same people that bitched about desegregati…

How about getting your head out of CNNs ass also?

I don’t watch that trash either. Also please be mindful of the rules of HN.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Are you sure you are on the right side of the argument yourself? Suppose next year, the government mandate that you lose weight, or stop smoking or run everyday, all that of course for the "greater good". And then the year after that, it requires that you give pills to your children because that makes them "less indisciplined" and so on and so forth. Stop being so certain and think a little bit. By accepting this man…

>By accepting this mandate we're not only accepting this jab, we're accepting all the future crazy ideas that the government will come with. No we're not. Accepting mandates doesn't somehow force everyone to automatically accept anything any politician claims or does in the future. That's not how anything works.

There's literally people in this thread that are justifying vaccine mandates because we had them before.
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