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Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by nhlx2 »

toast0 wrote: post #128
sofixa wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Breathe through your nose. It can be hard at first but it gets easier over time I'm stumped here. Isn't that the normal way to breathe? Why would it be hard, unless you have some medical condition like sleep apnea, which requires treatment in itself?

I have to actively try to breathe through my nose, it's often congested (having a pet despite allergies doesn't help), and it's just simpler to breathe through my mouth, cause that just works. Medical interventions are possible, but I'm not thrilled with the side effects of the medicines I've tried, and surgery has some really awful tail risks, so there's that. I was recently recomended to try B1 (thiamine) supplimen…

A vegan diet has made a huge difference in clearing my nose pathways.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by yolo69420 »

dentalperson wrote: post #149
FabHK wrote: post #67

Is this scientific consensus? I remember the Matthew Walker book (Why We Sleep) was heavily criticised. For example this article + discussion: https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26684519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22419958

These points and the Guzey essay were discussed in depth in Science Fictions by Stuart Ritchie, which features examples of negligence and fraud in science. Having read and enjoyed the message in Why We Sleep, my first reaction before reading based on the length of the essay was that the motivation was axe-grindy, but the further I read the more it made sense and the more egregious Walker's claims seemed. The lack of…

Doesn't he have a response on his website? I swear I read it at some point

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by modo_mario »

bubblecheck wrote: post #142

This is my sixth night being 100% homeless (on the streets with no vehicle, no private place to go). Sleep for the past five nights has ranged from non-existent to a few nodding hours in long sleeves laying down in various public places. Compared to a week ago, I finally started to notice cognitive decline today. My words don't come out as smoothly, and I have gaps in thoughts. Frankly, it's nothing like it was seven…

I have seriously noticed the effects of a lack of sleep on depression. Often depression kept me sleepness and vice versa. Please. Find a way to find proper sleep somewhere for a good few days. Force it upon yourself to catch up on it.

Even if you're seeing it all as just you being on your way out then consider there's no point in waiting for it in misery.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by FabHK »

yolo69420 wrote: post #182
dentalperson wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These points and the Guzey essay were discussed in depth in Science Fictions by Stuart Ritchie, which features examples of negligence and fraud in science. Having read and enjoyed the message in Why We Sleep, my first reaction before reading based on the length of the essay was that the motivation was axe-grindy, but the further I read the more it made sense and the more egregious Walker's claims seemed. The lack of…

Doesn't he have a response on his website? I swear I read it at some point

Oh, right, thank you and GP for reminding me, there was more discussion of this:

Here Gelman's pieces (at stat modeling):

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/11/18/is-matthew...

https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2019/12/27/why-we-sle... (Quote from Gelman: > We’ve left “super-important researcher too busy to respond to picky comments” territory and left “well-intentioned but sloppy researcher can’t keep track of citations” territory and entered “research misconduct” territory.

This may be a response by Walker to criticism:

https://sleepdiplomat.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/why-we-sleep-...

Here's a reddit discussion where Guzey responds to that response and raises further points:

https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/ekdbo2/matt...

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by toast0 »

f1refly wrote: post #150
toast0 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to actively try to breathe through my nose, it's often congested (having a pet despite allergies doesn't help), and it's just simpler to breathe through my mouth, cause that just works. Medical interventions are possible, but I'm not thrilled with the side effects of the medicines I've tried, and surgery has some really awful tail risks, so there's that. I was recently recomended to try B1 (thiamine) supplimen…

Why would you get a pet when you're allergic?

Well, my first two cats, I didn't realize I was allergic, because there's so many other allergens anyway. It became pretty clear the cat was a significant allergen with the second one, but it would take a lot for me to want to rehome a cat who I had bonded with and was well behaved. The current one was supposed to be a barn cat, which would be fine, but at least lately he's decided to hang out indoors a lot (he's well behaved and a snuggler). Cats and I get along well, other than the allergies.

In summary, humans do all sorts of things that are not wise; of all the stupid things I could do, this isn't so bad.

I can breathe, breathing through my mouse is normal for me, so if allergies clog up my nose, it's just another day.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by ipython »

mikenew wrote: post #15

I've struggled with sleep for as long as I can remember. I have improved it considerably in the past year (still not perfect). Out of the dozens upon dozens of things I've tried, here's what I think made the most difference, in order of importance. 1. Very consistent bedtime and wake up time. +/- 30 minutes, but ideally less. Obviously if you struggle with sleep you can't count on falling asleep at the same time, but…

If you have problems with breathing through your nose or snoring, go get some breathe right strips. It’s just a metallic strip with adhesive to help keep your nasal passages open - super effective.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by brimble »

watwut wrote: post #146
brimble wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a medieval king who decided their castle should be lit up like day at nighttime, hundreds of candles in mirror-walled rooms, 365 days a year, and also that the entire castle save only the bed chamber would host the finest entertainers and all the most interesting friends and strangers in the world, party games and amusements in a hundred palace rooms, and a mage who could show the king any wonder of the world…

> I'd encourage everyone to try candle-only lighting after sundown That means dark from before 17:00 to 8:00 and that is just too much. I can barely fit work into that.

I happen to also think we'd be, in some ways, more content and happier (and likely healthier) if we followed seasonal rhythms a bit more, including being much less active & productive in the Winter when there's the least sunlight. But that part, I am entirely aware, is completely impractical.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by Apocryphon »

brimble wrote: post #11
WilTimSon wrote: post #4

I'm not sure how much this will do to change anyone. Sure, it's bluntly stated but, well, most people realize quite well that lack of sleep is awful and dangerous. People don't usually do it because they want to do it. Long hours at work, deadlines, stress, occasional bout of Netflix addiction. Out of all of those, there's only one that's easy to resolve and I'd wager that Netflix isn't usually the biggest contributo…

Imagine a medieval king who decided their castle should be lit up like day at nighttime, hundreds of candles in mirror-walled rooms, 365 days a year, and also that the entire castle save only the bed chamber would host the finest entertainers and all the most interesting friends and strangers in the world, party games and amusements in a hundred palace rooms, and a mage who could show the king any wonder of the world…

As evocative as this thought experiment is, and highlights the extreme difference between modern and preindustrial life, trying to appeal to the well-being of that medieval monarch seems like it's falling into the natural fallacy. The past is a completely foreign country. The ancient elites would have absolutely killed for the HVAC systems that were absent from their drafty castles. The most basic of foods we eat would have driven them mad, wars were fought over simple seasonings and spices. Not to mention the advances in medication and basic hygiene.

That said, it would be interesting if it became a fad (among the classes of means, naturally) to try to revert to premodern sleeping habits. Paleo-sleep, perhaps. It could lead to the return of biphasic sleep.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29886907

Or, perhaps, not:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/the-many...

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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Post by dosethree »

mikenew wrote: post #15

I've struggled with sleep for as long as I can remember. I have improved it considerably in the past year (still not perfect). Out of the dozens upon dozens of things I've tried, here's what I think made the most difference, in order of importance. 1. Very consistent bedtime and wake up time. +/- 30 minutes, but ideally less. Obviously if you struggle with sleep you can't count on falling asleep at the same time, but…

re: nose breathing. What i’ve been doing is using Simply Saline (easier than a neti pot) and using breath right strips. Optionally use a mouth guard which can help you avoid mouth breathing
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