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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dahfizz »

HWR_14 wrote: post #173
908B64B197 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "My wife wrote all of those." There was a place that hired a consultant for a project a friend worked on, and she was... I don't think she could write code at all. Like, had trouble manually inserting fragments into an XML file despite fragments with the same structure already being in the file. Her productivity skyrocketed at night however, and she generally had working code in the morning, which lead to rumors th…

Sounds like she got all her work done on time.

Well, someone definitely got all her work done.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Tade0 »

pphysch wrote: post #166
soared wrote: post #130

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From my experience once you have ~1,000 employees AND a complicated org chart/raci/etc then it’s fairly easy for people to do little work and hide. In smaller orgs too many people see you, and in orgs that are running efficiently if you don’t do your job it causes issues. Tons of people hiding at oracle from my experience :)

We had a remote freeloader find a position at Oracle before his short-term contract with us was done. Onward and upward :)

I'll do you one better. My friends from a team I used to be in had a guy who simply didn't know how to code. My friend would at times act as a ghostwriter(for free) so that the poor bastard wouldn't get fired.

Eventually the guy was promoted.

The Dilbert principle is real.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by gus_massa »

linsomniac wrote: post #46

I once hired a guy who had no experience, but seemed like a good culture fit for our company and seemed very interested in learning. We interviewed him and made e-mail communication a large part of the interview, because it is a critical part of our business. And his communication was great! After hiring, a recurring problem we had was his e-mail to us and to customers were terrible. Bad grammar, bad spelling, uncorr…

If it's an important email, my wife will review and fix it before I send it. If you need good writing skill, you should definitively hire my wife!

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by robofanatic »

something similar happened to me but way more hilarious. I had interviewed at a big brand name place in India and thought I did good because of positive feedback from everybody. But then there was complete silence for 2 weeks. Finally when I called them the recruiter was surprised and said "didn't you reject the offer?" apparently there was another candidate with similar name who rejected the offer. A month later I finally ended up joining there but worked in a totally different team. Later one day I bumped into the manager who had interviewed me and he was surprised to see me because he thought I had rejected the offer.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by datavirtue »

chadash wrote: post #111
arbuge wrote: post #71

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That sounds to me like it would meet the legal definition of fraud. A lawsuit to recuperate the wages and damage to the business might even be worth looking into.

> A lawsuit to recuperate the wages and damage to the business might even be worth looking into. No, probably not. Speak to any business owner who has been in a lawsuit and they'll likely tell you it's not worth the headache. A close relative told me that even if a customer straight up won't pay for a done job, he'd rather forgo the payment then deal with a lawsuit. Lawsuits usually have: 1) monetary costs - those la…

The Ford dealership quoted me wrong on a trade-in payoff and later tried to get me to pay it ($1000). Letter in the trash. Next one came on a law firm's letterhead quoting a bunch of stuff about a contract. In the trash.

Never heard from them again.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by lordnacho »

mavhc wrote: post #60
thrower123 wrote: post #47

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> Always makes me wonder how many dysfunctional companies are out there letting deadbeat remote employees collect paychecks and do as little work as possible because nobody cares enough to press the issue. I can't imagine it's much worse than it was in the before-times. Wally has always been able to skate along with a certain amount of meeting-attending.

If you can't tell whether your employees are working, why do you even have employees? Imagine how much money you'll save.

It's like the adage about advertising: you don't know which ones are effective.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by rectang »

Last week, I was recruited for an ongoing project where I would serve as the face of a website development service conducting client interviews, several each day. Most of the actual devs apparently don't have good English skills, so I was to be the contact. But the kicker was, I was supposed to actually pretend to be the developer — to adopt their name, skills, and experiences — in my conversations with the client.

This seemed to me both unethical and absurdly difficult to do well (how am I supposed to fake dev-level knowledge about systems I didn't create?) so of course I turned it down.

The difference with this article is who is being deceived — in the offer I got it was the external client, while in the article it's the employer. The commonality is that they're both using false identities over remote communication.

Such deceptions are probably more difficult to pull off using video chat as opposed to audio only, but easier in comparison to in-person meetings. I wonder whether they're actually increasing or not.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by hraedon »

okeuro49 wrote: post #160
pmarreck wrote: post #142

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>She wore a hijab and the company had just hired its first “diversity officer” so maybe that’s why At what point does forced diversity hiring become a perverse incentive, with regards to needing to run a company with qualified individuals regardless of affiliation? (This may be a cynical question, but I'm not trolling. I'm aware that there are tangible benefits to more diversity. What I'm wondering if there's some ca…

I don't know, but it must be horrible not knowing whether you got the job on your own merit, or if you were just hired to tick a box, if a company has some cynical hiring policy.

Whatever problems the current system has, it isn't as if the system being replaced ever hired people primarily on "merit."

The beneficiaries of the older system rarely wondered if they were the best candidates for the job, so why should anyone today give it a second thought?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by angrais »

amrrs wrote: post #169
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

Are you paid a fair market rate for your geographical location in India?

(i.e., are other local companies offering worse or better benefits?)

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