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Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by kamaal »

zepto wrote: post #95
thewarrior wrote: post #70

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Sure and that slows GDP growth by 40-50%. They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. Demographic doom is frequently cited for China but I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline.

> Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline. There is a reason people move to the US. Good luck to the CCP attempting to reproduce that.

Most people from third world countries who move to the USA do so because of the infrastructure and quality of life, not because they read 'Bill of Rights'.

Also machines are coming for your jobs, you wont need that many people anyway.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by JimDabell »

genmud wrote: post #167
JimDabell wrote: post #155

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The iPhone is a once-in-a-generation product. Virtually no company ever creates a product this successful. Why are you treating that level of success as if it’s the new norm that Apple must repeatedly reach in order to keep up? What happens if they don’t catch the next wave? In that case, they will still be wildly successful. They’ve already had the iPad, which is the clear winner in the tablet market. They’ve alread…

Blackberry? Nokia?

No, the BlackBerry wasn’t even close to being the same magnitude hit as the iPhone.

Nokia is a company not a product. They’ve released a tremendous number of products, none of which came close to the iPhone.

We’re talking about a product that captured greater than 100% of the profits for the entire smartphone market one year. That brought in more revenue than most countries. How often does that happen?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by roflulz »

fartcannon wrote: post #139
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #131

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If you consider Foxconn slave labor, maybe. Except Foxconn wages are generally considered to be good for the area (thus why so many employees do it seasonally for a few months during the ramp-up each year). It's a better factory than many. Yes, the netting to prevent suicides looks really bad... until you consider Foxconn employs 1.2 million people. Their suicide rate once that is considered is lower than the general…

Yes blame Apple as they have the most money and thus the most responsibility to do better. 3 trillion dollars is worth how many human lives?

the US was built on the back of slaves and continues to be run on stolen land. How is doing business with any American business any different?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

zamalek wrote: post #163
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #91

25.1% Mac growth. For professionals and enthusiasts, you either just got your M1, you’re saving for one, or waiting on the Pro Desktops. I’m curious to see if there’s any change to the replacement rate of Macs. It seems normal for people to use the same laptop for four or more years — a far sight longer than the two-year life expectancy of laptops twenty years ago, but about half of the replacement rate of smartphone…

> you either just got your M1 Yeah, and hold off for now. I'm the guy making sure that new onboards don't get blocked by M1 (as you can't but Intel anymore). Segfaults in docker/qemu (amd64 and arm64) are numerous: I can't build our otherwise boring (and recent) docker images locally - it has to go to a Linux ARM server. What truly bends my mind is that I am getting framerate/audio/input hitching on the desktop when…

“Influencing, blogging, email” wtf?

I mostly do React/web dev and some dabbling with SwiftUI. I spent most of 2021 doing that on an M1 Air and it was a joy.

((The only kink I’ve run into was trying to deploy a serverless app; Docker did indeed make that a nonstarter. So I just accomplished it the old fashioned way (a dippy little VM running in a cloud server). Not a deal-breaker.))

Most of my friends are graphic designers who use Adobe apps (nearly all ported to ARM). The only reason most of them haven’t upgraded is because they want 27” iMacs.

What on earth do you think most people do with computers?

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

michaelmarion wrote: post #135
_ph_ wrote: post #130

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Yeah, 27" iMac owner here, desperately waiting for an upgrade. If Apple had been a bit more open about the road map, I might have bought an air around the release date to bridge the time till the iMac update. Wouldn't say no to a (smaller) Mac Pro with an external display (if Apple offered that) either.

This. I want an M1 Max in a Mac mini, and especially an Apple-branded display or three that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

>and especially an Apple-branded display or three that doesn't cost an arm and a leg

I think you are going to be out of luck there.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

zepto wrote: post #90
thewarrior wrote: post #50

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Let’s not miss the forest for the trees. China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy. China is already the worlds largest economy in terms of raw output (PPP terms). China is already the worlds largest consumer market. There’s a reasonable chance it exceeds USA in nominal GDP it if it grows at 5+% till 2030. This year they grew at 8.5 %

> There’s a reasonable chance it exceeds USA in nominal GDP it if it grows at 5+% till 2030. The US GDP grew 5.7% last year. > China is already the worlds largest consumer market. No it isn’t.

>The US GDP grew 5.7% last year.

To be fair that's only because it bounced back from the covid impacts in the previous year.It had been hovering around the 2.5% mark for the previous decade.

On the other hand no economist believes the figures that come out of China, they are far too consistent.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by dijit »

zepto wrote: post #149
dijit wrote: post #86

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Monopoly can be unintentionally abused, simple things like not providing a compiler in the box or trying to add security can be seen to crush competition (like in secureboot, and the current apple App Store distribution issues) It also goes without saying that the law trails ethics and morality; not the inverse.

> simple things like not providing a compiler in the box or trying to add security can be seen to crush competition Neither of these things crush competition in any way. Security is not illegal, nor is anyone compelled by law to write compilers.

I could not possibly disagree more.

Being unable to use any other operating system on your PC was definitely seen as harming the user, and after lots of battles secureboot is optional on x86 windows PCs (but not arm)- in the same vain we managed to successfully argue that people other than Microsoft should have secureboot keys too, and thus redhat also have secureboot keys.

Not having a compiler though? That’s what put back computer science and education 10 years in the Microsoft era, the barrier to programming was a lot higher than it was prior to the late 90s and only recovered in the late 00s where we saw a resurgence of young people learning programming with the availability of WAMP and later django and rails.

You can thank Microsoft that less and less people each year understood native programming.

Microsoft hid their compiler suites behind complex systems, if they had been included or easy to access this would not be the case. But it was a choice on the side of Microsoft that only determined people really need a compiler anyway.

Apple is doing the same thing. But Apple at least ships with some interpreters of some languages like python or ruby. Windows didn’t even have those. Only vbscript (which is not a general purpose language)

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

smoldesu wrote: post #148
mdoms wrote: post #123

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> you never blame yourself for buying Apple How quickly we forget that Apple just had 2 generations of complete dogshit laptops.

It was more than that, pretty much everything between late 2014 and late 2018 is just... not really usable as a daily driver. Luckily they fixed the keyboard and quit stringing Intel along under the pretense that they could "make things work" by modifying ACPI tables, but I don't think I'll ever be truly comfortable using a Mac until I can drop one at waist-height and not be down $2000. Different strokes for differen…

>It was more than that, pretty much everything between late 2014 and late 2018

I don't know, the 2015 MacBook Pro was well regarded.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by dwaltrip »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #184
zamalek wrote: post #163

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> you either just got your M1 Yeah, and hold off for now. I'm the guy making sure that new onboards don't get blocked by M1 (as you can't but Intel anymore). Segfaults in docker/qemu (amd64 and arm64) are numerous: I can't build our otherwise boring (and recent) docker images locally - it has to go to a Linux ARM server. What truly bends my mind is that I am getting framerate/audio/input hitching on the desktop when…

“Influencing, blogging, email” wtf? I mostly do React/web dev and some dabbling with SwiftUI. I spent most of 2021 doing that on an M1 Air and it was a joy. ((The only kink I’ve run into was trying to deploy a serverless app; Docker did indeed make that a nonstarter. So I just accomplished it the old fashioned way (a dippy little VM running in a cloud server). Not a deal-breaker.)) Most of my friends are graphic desi…

That quote is a textbook example of how to ruin a comment with some unnecessary and inaccurate flamebait.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

threeseed wrote: post #51
ravenstine wrote: post #29

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And what browser engine you're allowed to use and, thereby, the extent to which you can control your web experience. Then there's the App Store being both a point of control, a burden on developers, and highway robbery with Apple's 30% cut.

Apple's cut is 15% for all developers making up to $1m/year. And if you think the App Store is a burden you should try implementing customer acquisition and go-to market strategies which is what the store gives you for free.

If you think putting an app in the store is all you need to do to market your software then you are in for a shock. You would be better off taking your investment to the local casino.
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