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Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Overturned on appeal and then settled for $65/user.

I got a check for $3.02.

I still haven't gotten my check from the iPhone 6 battery scandal. I still have the phone. It is forever stuck on the wall now. They have no incentive to hurry up I guess.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Jeeze, I will stick with my modular solution: an ipad on a music stand. This is compatible not only with any commodity treadmill, but also bike trainers, ellipticals, and making vroomvroom noises on the motorcycle when it's too icy to actually ride. I could also swap out the ipad for a laptop, non-ipad tablet, or a collection of cute succulents should I desire it. snark aside, I'm a bicycle guy and I really like that…

> I will stick with my modular solution: an ipad on a music stand.

I actually don't get the point of getting a 4000 treadmill rather than one that's half the price and an ipad

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Following Wirecutter's suggestion, I got a ProForm 505 treadmill. Like Wirecutter said, it's cheap, a bit janky, but does the job adequately for a "non-pro" like me.

When unpacking it and setting it up, there were multiple notices everywhere: On the packaging, as a separate note in the packaging, in the manual, on the treadmill itself. Those notes all said that the treadmill is "locked" and you need "online activation" to unlock it.

I was getting very nervous, since I thought I bought something that does not need online activation.

However I think it was also Wirecutter that mentioned that you can just press the iFit button for longer than 15 seconds--or was it 30 seconds?--and it's "unlocked". I did that once and it worked ever since, never needed to do anything online, or connect it via Bluetooth, WiFi or anything else.

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This type of 'update' is one reason I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices. If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. I experienced this myself on the PS4 version of Terraria. I bought a hard-copy of the game. I mastered the controls, and loved them. Terraria was updated one day…

> If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. That's about any electric car manufactured after 2020.

I've never owned an electric car, but that doesn't surprise me. I'm curious whether you are just stating the fact, or suggesting that the practice is commonplace, therefore justified.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This type of 'update' is one reason I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices. If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. I experienced this myself on the PS4 version of Terraria. I bought a hard-copy of the game. I mastered the controls, and loved them. Terraria was updated one day…

I agree. Perhaps the U.S.'s legal framework reasonably allows this kind of behavior, but IMHO it's a sign that the framework needs legislative correction. The first time I encountered this was when Sony advertised Linux-compatibility for the PS3, which I bought expressly for that purpose. I was shocked when a judge upheld Sony's post-sale removal of that capability.

This is precisely the reason why prior to linux support/removal, exploits weren't targeted. Once linux support was removed, linux hackers started releasing exploit after exploit on the target hardware and software, and it only took a couple months after they removed the linux support.

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That it was advertised anywhere in documentation as possible is what makes it a hostile move by the manufacturer.

Had this been just some kind of open secret “hack” then buyers really should expect this.

Remember: when you buy a gadget with a screen and associated “services” like video subscriptions you aren’t just buying a lump of tech. Your price is set after careful weighing of how much customers will consume the subscription services. If the add on service is provided by a third party it’s even worse: your products’ ability to deliver something other than their service is probably a breach of contract.

My guess: the treadmill makers didn’t mind people watching Netflix on their gadget. Their partners on content though has given them deals on the premise that everyone who didn’t buy a subscription should have a feeling that they wasted $4k on an empty screen. So when they hear a number of users are watching Netflix, they get angry. Treadmill makers must block the god mode.

The sad thing here is obviously that the idea of making a good open product without strings attached or subscriptions seems like an impossibility these days.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This type of 'update' is one reason I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices. If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. I experienced this myself on the PS4 version of Terraria. I bought a hard-copy of the game. I mastered the controls, and loved them. Terraria was updated one day…

Dear god don’t get me started on mobile terraria. They completely ruined the gameplay. Common sense would tell any product team to at least provide the option to switch back to the old interface (they didn’t add or take away anything that would disallow this) but NO. I started playing it because it was fun, simple and easy to learn/play, now the controls have been completely ruined for mobile.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This pattern is pervasive. I also dislike needing an app and an internet connection for the most basic functionality with some purchased device. At some point, we need to own the things we buy and that line keeps getting pushed back further and further. Anec-data: I purchased a cooking device for my parents in December and it has a single button to turn it off. The only way to use it is with an app which requires a l…

Why did you buy that?

I have a similar device and was recommended the newer and upgraded version from someone I know. Given time pressure and other priorities at the time, I took the recommendation without much further investigation.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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post #181

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I got a check for $3.02.

I still haven't gotten my check from the iPhone 6 battery scandal. I still have the phone. It is forever stuck on the wall now. They have no incentive to hurry up I guess.

IANAL, but I've heard that if you let the court know about situations like this, they'll often provide the necessary motivation to the responsible parties.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Oh good grief, don't give them ideas. Incidentally, I distinctly remember reading something about skippable ad on tv ( skippable if you do something adveriser wants -- like McD ad and its only skippable if you yell 'i m lovin' it'). Your idea is next level though:>

It was a reference to this: https://imgur.com/KGzbkBn

I think the worst part is that I can absolutely imagine a world where this is a reality. Thank you for sharing this.
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