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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by guelo »

slg wrote: post #170
ForgotMyPwOops wrote: post #164

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Should all opinions based on bad reasons be banned? Should people be compelled to explain their beliefs? Who decides if these opinions are good or illegal? I don't believe fairly arbitrating expression based on beliefs is feasible, and I do believe it is actively harmful

Everyone is free to their own opinions. Actions can and should be banned depending on their motivations. We already apply this to other forms of restriction on speech like defamation. Often defamation will require negligence to harm or intent to harm. Someone who is factually incorrect through an honest mistake generally isn't considered to have committed defamation. I don't know why we are okay trying to ascertain t…

American defamation laws are neutered compared to other western countries because of the 1st amendment.

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Post by FridayoLeary »

SauciestGNU wrote: post #122
snird wrote: post #106

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If he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?

Can residents of Gaza and the occupied West Bank vote in Israeli elections, when they are under Israeli rule? If the answer is no, then that's apartheid.

Can they vote in their own local government (Hamas and Fatah)? If no (it is) does that make them apartheid?

Double standards or ignorance.

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

friendlydog wrote: post #115

Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

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Post by tehwebguy »

IAmEveryone wrote: post #119
Terry_Roll wrote: post #70

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And anyone who thinks their own country isnt doing the same is deluded! The Security Services has to protect a country which means getting involved in everything, organised crime as well as business, and then when they feel things need to change direction, the security services have the tools aka blackmail information to make that change happen... in most cases!

Yeah, no, this is bullshit. People don’t just have agencies (Mossad, CIA), they also have agency as in: the power to change reality. And the vast majority of democratic countries are run by people who have a decent appreciation of the rule of law , which is what stands between your actual freedom and your gloomy fantasies. Then, there’s also a group of countries that simply cannot afford / don’t have the people to do…

I mean the NSA literally admitted in 2013[0] that the NSA had employees doing stuff like this just for personal reasons. The only real difference is where the data was gathered from and I'm not even sure it's worth differentiating:

> At least a dozen U.S. National Security Agency employees have been caught using secret government surveillance tools to spy on the emails or phone calls of their current or former spouses and lovers in the past decade, according to the intelligence agency’s internal watchdog.

> The practice [...] was disclosed by the NSA Office of the Inspector General

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog...

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Post by yyyk »

rowathay wrote: post #179
yyyk wrote: post #102

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>Signed, Iraq war vet (it was more for Israels interests than ours!) That would be odd way of serving the Israeli interest, as the actual Israeli government opposed the Iraq war and thought it would be bad for Israel: https://forward.com/opinion/9839/sharon-warned-bush/

That article only says Sharon (who was only a part of the government) opposed occupation, and even then was quiet about it. Also the article is completely unsourced.

Sharon was the Prime Minister in 2003 which is some 'part of the government'. Author is well-connected judging by his resume. Also see this where the reporter says he talked with "three sources with direct knowledge":

https://forward.com/opinion/217842/how-bibi-and-bush-made-a-...

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

voz_ wrote: post #34
terr-dav wrote: post #32

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It's a democracy of the first-class citizens only. Don't forget it's an apartheid state!

This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

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Post by FridayoLeary »

tsimionescu wrote: post #83
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #59

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> (b) routinely bomb another state they are not officially at war with In what sense are we not officially at war with Palestine? Nobody ever signed an armistice, ceasefire, or peace deal to end the War of 1948. Nobody even wants to. The official policies of both the PLO and Hamas remain "struggle until victory". There are internal political reasons for this that any knowledgeable person can describe, but as far as a…

> In what sense are we not officially at war with Palestine? In the literal sense. The territories that form Palestine and the West Bank today were part of Egypt and Jordan before the six-day war. Israel occupied these territories during the war, then signed peace treaties with the countries it defeated. The three Arab countries (including Syria) attempted to recapture their territories again in 1973, but failed, and…

That's like saying after d-day, the killing and destruction has become more one sided against the Axis Powers. Nobody takes that as a serious argument that the Allies shouldn't have done it (and please, no Nazi comparisons).

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Post by spywaregorilla »

yonixw wrote: post #156
ForgotMyPwOops wrote: post #153

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Who decides what is antisemitic? It seems to me that based on your logic all speech can be prevented assuming some arbiter declares it antisemitic Boycotting can hardly be considered protected speech if that's all it takes to silence it

> Who decides what is antisemetic? The Majority. > Some arbiter Nope. The Majority. > if that's all it takes to silence it Nope. anti-semetic is kinda big deal. We all should treat it as such and run from it like fire.

More like the plurality of vocal subset.

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Post by azth »

yonixw wrote: post #150
ForgotMyPwOops wrote: post #148

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Do you believe boycotting is protected speech? Do you believe American citizens should be allowed to choose who they boycott?

I do. But I don't if it's anti-Semitic. And that's the whole question. Seems like many agree it's the latter.

It's not anti-Semitic, let's be honest with ourselves.
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