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Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by nitrogen »

oblio wrote: post #67
hulitu wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is not accesible even to people without disdabilities. I have to carefully select the background color or else i will end up with a light text colour on light background or dark text colour on dark background. Or to search half of hour for the cursor in a Word document because Microsoft decided that blinking the cursor is so 80s and the cursor is hidden.

Doesn't Windows have a high contrast mode?

What if you want your own colors and your own level of medium contrast that works well on your specific display and lighting conditions?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by politician »

ptx wrote: post #148
matsemann wrote: post #64

> W11 taskbar is missing several key pieces of functionality which have incentivised new users to get into Feedback Hub and cast votes. By far the biggest and most controversial submission is about having multiple documents open in the same app. Actually the same reason for me to give feedback during W11 beta. Liked the beta as it gave me access to WSLg, but the productivity loss of the taskbar being useless made me…

It's different (IMHO better) on Mac, even though it looks superficially similar. On Mac, there is conceptually a two-level hierarchy of apps and windows. Every app maintains its own stack of windows. You can switch between apps with a single click (or keyboard command) and then switch between windows in that app's window stack if you want to bring a different one to the top. So a single click och keypress lets you sw…

You sound like you know what you’re talking about, so perhaps you could explain something that I just can’t figure out.

I use multiple desktops and run almost every app in full screen. Oftentimes when I focus a window on a secondary desktop that isn’t fullscreen (like a Finder window), then click on the Dock icon of a full screen app, MacOS will focus the primary desktop instead of the desktop with the full screen app.

Do you ever experience this behavior? Is there a better way to switch between apps?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by nitrogen »

headmelted wrote: post #132
userbinator wrote: post #14

I once even spotted a Microsoft employee who took the time to raise their concerns on the public tracker: That is just incredibly exasperating to see. When even MS employees are being forced to "bend over and take it", you'd think there would be some sort of "find the people responsible for this shitshow in the Windows team inside MS, and keep emailing them to fix it" protest. That one employee he noticed seemed to h…

I don’t think conflating inclusivity and/or diversity action with specific product issues is helpful or comes off well here.

A team that ignores product quality will soon run out of money to spend on solving social etc. issues. Effort follows attention, so attention should be weighted appropriately across issues, but it's not uncommon for companies and causes to over-index on just a few issues and sacrifice other aspects of team dynamics and product quality as a result.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by jimbobimbo »

phillipcarter wrote: post #150
cjbgkagh wrote: post #102

Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. Microsoft has a weird culture, very top down, very passive aggressive between departments. For a brief while I would diligently prepare bugs for the dog food software. I would even walk over to visit people responsible for it and chat about it. Even for software where ‘zero bugs’ was important they’d just delete a whole…

> Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. What you're describing does not comport with my experience there. Personally, I ensured that every issue filed on GitHub was triaged (read, replied if necessary, de-duped if necessary, labeled appropriately, assigned a severity/priority) and that all feedback items from the Visual Studio feedback system that applied t…

Issues filed on GitHub != process that goes through the Windows Feedback Hub. The latter is a completely opaque process and product team engagement varies wildly from feature area to feature area.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by cjbgkagh »

_8j50 wrote: post #158
cjbgkagh wrote: post #102

Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. Microsoft has a weird culture, very top down, very passive aggressive between departments. For a brief while I would diligently prepare bugs for the dog food software. I would even walk over to visit people responsible for it and chat about it. Even for software where ‘zero bugs’ was important they’d just delete a whole…

They don't need to compete with amazon they just need to be profitable. Their AAD integrations are nice and their portal+ux(including api+powershell) and Defender ATP for E5 customers make them much better than GCP and in some cases AWS. The big three are here to stay.

They need large amounts of exponential growth, it’s baked into their current value which they need to justify their investments. Microsoft has reoriented itself around Azure and if Azure was merely just profitable Microsoft would have to jettison a lot of what they do. Without another money printer it would be a blood bath.

I think that like Auditing companies there might be a bit of a rotation, or risk spreading among the big providers. Maybe it could help get a discount from Amazon if you could show that you could move to Azure for a little while.

My main worry that their sales will run out of wealthy suckers, and efficiency gains from CPUs may slow down a bit in time.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by temac »

e-brake wrote: post #30
suction wrote: post #5

Feedback Hub indeed seems to be useless - because it is designed to act as a sink hole. Yet the topic the author of this article and apparently hundreds of others are describing as a show-stopping miss of Windows 11: The ability to see open documents ungrouped on the task bar. That's not a "bug" which needs to be addressed directly by developers. And really? That alone is a reason to go through a harrowing downgrade…

Completely agree, Microsoft seems more focused on UI polishing than addressing fundamental usability issues hampering productivity with Windows 11. Presenting grouped application windows and trying to parse which one is which, when they all look the same. It's bananas! Unbearable to use. Must be due to bad management decisions, the release was premature and they are still rolling out fixes interminably.

Apple has a polished UI. MS seems more focused on changing the control panel / settings program in each version without ever finishing the migration and keeping unrefreshed UIs from all era and branches of Windows. That, and the start menu + windows decoration / transparency effect (except here too : not on all windows...)

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by _8j50 »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #185
_8j50 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need to compete with amazon they just need to be profitable. Their AAD integrations are nice and their portal+ux(including api+powershell) and Defender ATP for E5 customers make them much better than GCP and in some cases AWS. The big three are here to stay.

They need large amounts of exponential growth, it’s baked into their current value which they need to justify their investments. Microsoft has reoriented itself around Azure and if Azure was merely just profitable Microsoft would have to jettison a lot of what they do. Without another money printer it would be a blood bath. I think that like Auditing companies there might be a bit of a rotation, or risk spreading amo…

My point was Azure can't compete with aws on small/medium size orgs but for large corps who can afford E5 and more it has tremenduous value. Existing windows IT likes azure better. Their main income as a company is still licenses and support which extends to Azure.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by temac »

meowkit wrote: post #177
alexvoda wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UI changes are very disruptive to other people. As an example, think all the people who for decades placed the taskbar on the side. Also, the bullshit minimum requirements are obviously about pushing DRM.

Minimum requirements were about pushing TPM (massive boost to chain of trust and security based on internal metrics) and hardware sales. Source: I’m an insider.

Not much hardware sales as OEM licenses sales from MS point of view. The problem is that by doing so they redefined "forever" to only mean 6 years for them, and did that at a time when the hardware started to progress again + in a middle of chips shortage. So I actually highly doubt they will get more sales for it - while they get a bad reputation and fork their user base (+ it is actually nearly impossible to actually use the extra req they pushed before at least years, and they could have obtained the same effect for new hardware through reqs of the Windows logo)

Edit: And don't even get me started about trying to incite people to replace perfetcly good computers with new ones at a time we should avoid wasting resources before all.

I would love to see something I missed showing that it is actually a good idea, but for now however I take it it seems a terrible move.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by Sebb767 »

notreallyserio wrote: post #171
cjbgkagh wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those bots drive me insane; it punishes the most helpful the most. I would much rather they leave it open. I often find myself digging around closed issues to find people with similar problems.

My favorite thing about stalebots: using the reaction emojis doesn't count (afaict) so me-tooing is encouraged.

Until some maintainer writes "Please stop replying with +1 etc, we know the issue. Use reaction emojis instead.". Bonus points if the issue also gets limited to contributors only.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by politician »

indymike wrote: post #174
asddubs wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye, I found myself compiling some stuff on windows 10 the other day, not having used it at all, and other windows versions in years. It really felt downright hostile, with advertisements in the start menu, popups prodding me to make a microsoft account, and I only used the damn thing for like 2 hours. I returned to linux with a newfound appreciation for how it just does what I want it to, and isn't trying to sell me…

> It really felt downright hostile, with advertisements in the start menu, popups prodding me to make a microsoft account, and I only used the damn thing for like 2 hours. I really wish tech companies would look at users as customers who are willing to spend more for better and more useful software, instead of looking at users as commodities ripe for monetization. When I use Windows I feel like I'm living in a refuge…

Don’t forget about the shady dive bar next to the Super Target, homebrew. It’s got everything you actually need, from suspicious sources.
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